Talk:Phelekezela Mphoko

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Recalled

Any better source than http://allafrica.com/stories/201711190166.html ? The international press is way behind the curve on the power plays taking place just out of the limelight. :)

"Vice President Phelekezela Mphoko has also been recalled for divisive behaviour. He was also recalled as Vice President and Second secretary of Zanu - PF. He is accused of protecting thieves."

If Mugabe were to be impeached Mphoko would have taken over the country in the interim by default, of course. Harami2000 (talk) 12:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Better photo?

Does anyone know where there's a better photo of him? ( SailingOn (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2017 (UTC) )[reply]

I know right, can't even see his face clearly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry-Oscar 1812 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful if someone could change his photograph to one which actually shows his face (we can't really have a 'faceless' politician can we?) GippoHippo (talk) 09:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So go ahead and remove it for the time being? Nusent 21:46, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, leave this one until we have a good one. MB298 (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What's the protocol to using ones we find online? If it's from a government source is it cool since it would be in the public domain(maybe?)? I have no idea what the laws in Zimbabwe are like for this nor a full understanding of the Wikipedia policy. ( SailingOn (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2017 (UTC) )[reply]

POV Check

Article has been tagged as requiring POV check, noting "Discussion of this nomination can be found on the talk page." So where is it? Davidships (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently the person who requested the POV check neglected to place a notice on the talk page about a POV check, furthermore after reading the article, I am not entirely sure whether the 'POV Check' is necessary. Any thoughts? GippoHippo (talk) 09:25, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He is not Mnangagwa's Vice President

I don't know why this keeps getting changed back, its like saying that the UK elected a new PM but the cabinet ministers all stayed in the same roles. That's not how politics works either in the UK or Zimbabwe, he is not Mnangagwa's Vice-President (in fact if what Mnangagwa says about his attempted poisoning is true, then Mr Mphoko is a conspirator to that poisoning). GippoHippo (talk) 07:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are no source that he left the office. Stop now. --Panam2014 (talk) 13:27, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I quote: "The constitution is not a source. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)" form my talk page, the constitution which he is referring to, is the constitution of Zimbabwe, which is most definitely a source, therefore making his arguments completely invalid. GippoHippo (talk) 14:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@GippoHippo: your argument are invalid. Quoting the constitution is not a source that Mphoko was acting president. @GoodDay: Per read WP:PRIMARY, the constitution is not a source. For example, per constitution, Diosdado Cabello was acting president after the death of Hugo Chavez. So, claiming that is a fake news. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An Rfc at President of Zimbabwe will likely end this dispute. GoodDay (talk) 14:25, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Its Okay, he got warned not to change it again because multiple editors disagreed with him. GippoHippo (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: he have not the right to have a foot in the discuss and another to revert me and add fake news. Enough is enough. He would stop to add WP:OR. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Now that an Rfc is opened, more folks will chime in. GoodDay (talk) 14:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We should probably just leave the office titles as dubious until the RfC has been sorted out GippoHippo (talk) 14:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, we should stop to impose your point. The constitution is a primary source, but only secondary sources are acceptable. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not discussing this with you no more, you're stealing my brain cells you leech GippoHippo (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@GippoHippo: That you boycott the discussion with me does not stop you from being wrong. You are new here, and you must know that primary sources (WP: PRIMARY) are not eligible to know which person holds a political office. The only admissible sources are secondary sources (WP: SECONDARY) whose purpose is to report facts. However, no source reported that Mphoko was acting president or first vice-president. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources." - Therefore primary sources are permissible if there is little to no information from other sources. Additionally, I was editing the Zimbabwe articles two days before you turned up and started acting like you knew everything. Your talk page is full of complaints. Good Day to you sir GippoHippo (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's different. The secondary sources are not unavailable, they simply say that Mphoko is neither acting president nor vice president. The latest published sources on the subject are still valid. We can see that you do not understand the rules, but it does not matter, you need time. And so he is still second vice president.--Panam2014 (talk) 18:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no information on something from another source, then there is no secondary source on that piece of information but as aforementioned, there are two sources which have been cited (neither of which by me) which prove you wrong. Furthermore this is not an argument page, its a talk page so don't be patronising. GippoHippo (talk) 19:02, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. As long as nobody has been replaced in the position, the media are not obliged to repeat information that has not changed. For the rest, thank you for reading the two sources, which are also duplicates, they do not say that the interim was provided by Mphoko but theoretically, he had to ensure, which did not take place . For the secondary and primary sources debate, ask another experienced contributor, he will tell you the same thing. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's now four sources, you're wrong, now go away, your edits have all been proved invalid, now goodbye. GippoHippo (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This should probably be discussed over at Talk:Vice-President_of_Zimbabwe since it seems that the Editing Conflict on the Presidency is more or less solved, the only question remaining is on legitimacy as Vice-President, it would make more sense to discuss it on the talk page about the Vice-Presidency than on this page. Thank You. GippoHippo (talk) 09:17, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]