Talk:Peter Turchin

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extradicted

I think the word should be changed to "expelled" meaning- Turchin's father was thrown out of USSR The word extradited means- to hand over an alleged offender to the country where the crime took place for trial. What crime was Turchin's father accused of. What country wanted to try him?Nitpyck (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I changed to "exiled" - a nice neutral term Pturchin (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Turchin is full of shit

I added a note to the main article that said it as politely and neutrally as possible, but I want to say it directly here: Turchin is terrible as a historian. He makes grandiose sweeping claims based on evidence that cannot possibly support such claims. Cliodynamics is borderline pseudoscience: the amount and kind of data that would be necessary to make it work, simply is not available far enough into the past to sustain grand claims, and even well into the age of the printing press, much of the evidence is dicey and poorly-attested enough that it simply will not carry the weight of the theories that Turchin and his pals want to build with that evidence as a foundation.

Theorists like Turchin try to trim the past in search of neat patterns. Those patterns are supposed to explain phenomena as diverse as the raise of moralizing gods and complex societies or why the beginning of the 21st century was riddled with violence. But under scrutiny, those patterns show themselves to often be just results of omissions and lacunas in the underlying databases.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/20/history-cliodynamics-weird-turchin/

I'm gonna come back later with fuller sourcing for some kind of Criticism section, but today I'm just adding to the main article the plain, already-cited fact that he's a zoologist with pet theories about history, not a real historian. Krinn DNZ (talk) 02:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of your substantive criticism, if not its tone, can be conveniently sourced to Turchin himself. As can others. He claims partially-testable insights, and he specifically disclaims perfect models or certainty. I don't see any mention of Fafinski's "magic key". I look forward to your suggestions. Richard Keatinge (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]