Talk:Persecution of Copts

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Dispute on the page

I don't see any dispute going regarding this page; at least not for long. Recent incidents have been added with reliable sources such as the Guardian's. Chanyi; Your point of view is worthy of consideration but why accusing Copts of lying ? actually the example you've mentioned as an incident of ' gross exaggeration' seems rather like a 'linguistic mistake'. rocket and rocks do not look alike in reality but in writing, the confusion can happen, with non-native speakers of English. No one sane can claim that Muslims did launch 'ROCKETS' on police cars, at least not yet. Individuals who are technically capable of editing Wikipedia might not be professional translators. My point of view is, persecution is not usually reported in the local media and the Coptic era history is the only era that is not included in school history books in Egypt. and is not being discussed anywhere else as it would be 'preaching on Christianity' which is against the law in Egypt. see this [1] .. when are you going to see the truth about radical Islam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dove eye (talk • contribs) 12:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Many missing external references.

The section Sectarian attacks in the past quarter of a century against the Copts in Egypt is totally devoid of external references, with one exception of a recent attack that has its own Wikipedia article. There should be an external reference for each incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.225.103.35 (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additions

Should this be added?
http://thepersecutiontimes.com/muslims-attack-two-christian-families-in-egypt-11-killed-including-children/2011/02/04/
Asciipott (talk) 04:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

POV

This article does not seem to have a NPOV, many claims are unsourced, or sourced from unreliable sources, single unreliable sources are also cited multiple times. Also labels such as "terrorist" and "corrupt" are used, which should be avoid according to Wikipedia. here are some examples of questionable sources.

15. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703745904575248301172607696.html : An opinon piece cited 5 times, and also only available to people subscribed to the online paper, yet it is claimed in the WP article that the Wall Street Journal "reported". An opinion piece is not a report, and is considered by wikipedia to be a primary source, in which case an attribution to the writer of the opinion should be made (e.g "John Smith suggested"), but the articles relies heavily on such opinion pieces without proper attribution and in a manner which suggests that the opinion is a fact.

28. http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1105&Itemid=9 : cited 9 times in the articles, directs to a Copt internet forum, which in itself is not acceptable as a source, not to mention that the "article" supposedly somewhere in this forum is almost impossible to find, i have not been able to locate it personally.

32. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9C0zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RggGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6308,5873985&dq=international-christian-concern&hl=en : Another opinion piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkjudah (talk • contribs) 19:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article still has all of these same problems, now 13 years later. Aaiqbal (talk) 04:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gross exaggerations

While I would never say that the Copts have it good in Egypt, there are a few intentional exaggerations in the article which do not serve the aim of the Cpots, just as the "Innocence of Muslims" would not help them.

One example is that Muslims launched rockets at a police car (presumably to kill the Christian detainee inside), while the referenced article speaks only of rocks.

I corrected this aberration. Dear Copts, you need help, we understand. But lies will not work for your case.Chanyi (talk) 23:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013

The whole 2013 section needs to be scrapped and rewritten. Everything needs to be sourced, the NPOV language needs to be cleaned up, and phrases like "Witnesses, victims and doctors said Monday" (which "Monday"?) have to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.134.120 (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Mina Thabet's arrest on dubious terrorism charges

Have added short section including AI's reference to this recent arrest and another report. Cpsoper (talk) 21:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Page organization

I suggest that the "specific incidents" section be much higher in the page as this has the most temporal relavence. This is my proposed outline

Into Modern persecution

A. Violence
    1. The entire "specific incidents" section.    
         Because this section is so robust, it might be better served as its own independent page
B. Civil persecution (to be added)
    1. In government (Christians are limited in the positions they are allowed to hold)
     2. In sports (no Christians play in the Egyptian Premier league, national football team, or Olympic team)

Sllabib (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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