Talk:Pennsylvania Railroad class S1

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References and Top Speed

I recently downloaded a scanned copy of the December 1941 issue of Popular Mechanics Magazine (Vol 76 No.6). It had an article on the 6100 by Roderick M. Grant, titled "Riding the Gargantua of the Rails" on pages 8 to 11 & 197 including 8 photographs. The article told of an assistant road foreman Charlie Wapps from the Fort Wayne Division clocking the 6100 between Wanatah Ind. and Hanna, a distance of 6.3 miles, in a time of 2 minutes 50 seconds. The article goes on to say "That's 133.4 miles an hour." 211.30.5.254 (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)(from Colin Wright Sydney Australia).[reply]

Rollback

This article is about an American locomotive, so Imperial units should come first. Slambo (Speak) 15:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

top speed discussion

I have taken out the "150 mph" for lack of any proof. I have been discussing and researching the S1 /T1 top speed issue for years, and to the day, nobody ever came up with anything which would prove the "150 mph" - story or even hint at its origin. Seemingly the story came up by a certain Arnold Haas in a German publication, where he wrote of "141 mph" but presented no source. Since then, this story has been duplicated in several other articles and books, but essential criticism is jeopardizing the credibility of that original article. For example, Mr. Haas states that the speed record was in March, 1946, and that it was recorded by ICC officers riding in the train for months after stories of speeding. It is general consensus amongst all PRR experts that the loco has been taken out of service by 1945, and the ICC did not chase trains with stopwatches. No such incident has been found in the archives. --Michael Bahls 20:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One would assume that there is a 180mph-claim from the U.S. for this engine. The biggest, fastest, best, longest, ...... --95.119.89.207 (talk) 23:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely; it's not possible to make a feasible 150mph claim for a conventional steam locomotive, let alone faster. Piston speeds, efficiency of steam flow, effectiveness of counterbalancing, and the ever-increasing aerodynamic drag at greater speeds indicate against it.

Besides, in the Milwaukee A1s and F7s, the US already has the fastest regular scheduled steam services of all time, with fairly good records of about 120mph being reached on them without special circumstances.

Of course, you were probably trying to make an unsubtle point. Many US speed record claims in previous years were essentially marketing claims without much to back them up. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 03:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Play safe

The cartoon short was from 1936. The S1 was concieved in 1937 and built in 1939. If there is any connection between the cartoon and the engine it must have been that the designer of the streamlined hull was inspired by the cartoon :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.118.115 (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I deleted the entry since any relationship between the two can only be considered a coincidence unless someone can prove the designer was inspired by the cartoon.Tgpaul58 (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Cleanup?

I tried to repair what I saw as a few grammatical errors (the article's author seems to be short of "the"s ...) and a few out of order facts - but more and more I get the impression that the sections - and also their headings - are copied from some not too well-written book; or have been assembled by a hobby author with high - and laudable - aspirations, but lacking organizational and explanatory talent. As a specific point, there is, in my opinion, too much detail in this text: Who really needs to know the names of the members of PRR's desgn committee on the S1?? I stopped rework after 5 or 6 edits - maybe someone finds time to continue this ... --User:Haraldmmueller 09:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]