Talk:Operation Yewtree

Table of arrests

I've removed it - it's unnecessary and likely to be misleading, through oversimplifying individual cases. MOS:TABLES says: "Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a table may not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain. " I agree. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Useful to see it in a glance, simpler to read 86.154.102.164 (talk) 15:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Each arrest is different and will be dealt with differently. A table is oversimplification - hence, it could be misleading to readers - and it is clearly contrary to WP style guidance. I suggest you revert yourself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Now we are up to double figures, the endless prose seems to lose itself along the way. I still think a bulletted list would be an improvement and make it easier to read. I do accept that there are differences (e.g. one man has been interviewed but not arrested) but these can still be made apparent from the list. AndrewRT(Talk) 20:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the use of a table format for this information. David Spector (talk) 13:32, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Stuart Hall

I'm cautiously removing Hall from the arrests section, as it clearly states - and has been reported - that it was not connected to Operation Yewtree in any way. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Update, reports of January 2013

For update on Operation Yewtree/NSPCC/ACPO "report" and DPP/CPS Alison Levitt Report January 2013, see Talk[1]. Qexigator (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

E-mails from Harbottle & Lewis

Today's Mail on Sunday publishes extracts from e-mails sent by London lawyers Harbottle & Lewis, which it says were used to advise the media against naming "Yewtree Five", now known to be Rolf Harris.[2]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me that this is more about the press campaign against implementing the Leveson inquiry recommendations, rather than about the police operation itself, which is the subject of the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

This may be worth adding to the article Leveson Inquiry. The issue of whether to name people who are arrested but not charged is the subject of an ongoing debate resulting from Operation Yewtree.[3][4]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, though those sources are really discussion pieces rather than presenting encyclopedic information. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I have been thinking about how to add this. Wilfred De'ath made clear his annoyance at being arrested and named in the media, only to be released without charge. This is an area where Yewtree and Leveson overlap.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Origins of name

Where does the name "Yewtree" come from or is this a secret? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.197.105 (talk) 08:14, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

This is in the article, although the citation is from 2008 and does not (or indeed cannot) relate to Operation Yewtree.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)}

It's probably edging into OR, but perhaps we should just include a line to the effect that police op names are generally chosen at "random" and use that citation, at least if or until someone comes up with a definite on Yewtree one way or the other? People are bound to wonder about the choice of name, especially from justidictions where they're chosen more deliberately. Nick Cooper (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that what the article already says? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

BBC documents

Editors looking for BBC internal documents commenting unfavourably on Savile in early years may wish to consider whether this information[5] could be relevant to the article. Qexigator (talk) 21:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a blog source and is biased against Savile. The documents, assuming they are genuine, do not throw much if any light on the sexual abuse allegations. The recent revelation that Savile was turned down for a knighthood four times due to concerns by civil servants such as Lord Armstrong is more relevant.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:31, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Years

Would it be possible for someone (with more skills than I possess!) to add the year to the many dates on this page? I guess that the page has been updated contemporaneously, but it's now hard to follow as it spans a few years but often mentions things just by month. Thank you. MarpoHarks (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity

I've reverted this edit, twice. So far as I know, the perpetrators' ethnicity has not been the subject of comment in reliable sources - unlike in the Rotherham case - so should not be mentioned here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Jimmy Tarbuck

Tarbuck should not be in the list because Yewtree officers only passed the information on to the relevant force meaning he was not directly connected to Yewtree 86.154.129.206 (talk) 21:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Dave Lee Travis

As with Tarbuck (see earlier section), not related to the Savile enquiry (stated in table) & as such should probably be removed from the list of those arrested in connection with the operation. Eagleash (talk) 02:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Tarbuck wasn't directly related to Yewtree, but it seems that DLT was.LM2000 (talk)

If it has been reported that DLT was investigated as part of Yewtree then the reference is fine; although I have to say I am not, personally, entirely clear as to the operations remit & why if DLT is connected, Tarbuck is not, if the file was passed on by Yewtree officers. However I will leave it to other editors who have been following the Op more closely to decide what belongs where. Eagleash (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

It can be a bit confusing. Yewtree is an investigation by the Met police. They took notes on Tarbuck and Cliff Richard but did not arrest them, they handed the files to North Yorkshire Police and South Yorkshire Police respectively. It seems that in the case of DLT the Met police investigated him as part of the Yewtree investigation and were responsible for his arrest as well.LM2000 (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. That's a bit clearer now. Regards. Eagleash (talk) 10:11, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Addition of commentary

I and others have reverted several edits by User:Tellitallnow containing inappropriate editorialising. See WP:NPOV. The opportunity to defend or argue against those edits is here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Operation Yewtree

Looking at recent edits at Paul Gambaccini and Cliff Richard, is agreed that all people arrested in this operation should be in this Category, even if they were found to be not guilty? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm also doubtful on this for WP:BLPCRIME reasons.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)