Talk:Ohio Department of Transportation

Ohio Department of Transportation was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
August 6, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
November 18, 2007	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
February 17, 2010	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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GA failed

Don't take it personally, it's commendable in many ways, but it was actually pretty easy to see that this article did not meet the criteria. For one very good reason: far too few references. For example, the first two sections under the history, the origins and Interstate highway sections, refer to very specific events, very specific data points and make claims based on those assertions, such as:

By 1947 the Ohio Department of Highways was constructing new roads at the quickest pace in their history, with 422 contracts awarded, $38 million spent on new construction, and $4 million on maintenance. This marked the highest amount spent on road construction by Ohio than all years previous.

Yet without a single footnote.

It also doesn't give us information it should. We read about the Cleveland Innerbelt Plan, and that it's been completed and will be implemented, yet don't know what it's going to do. Will the interstates in question just be rebuilt? I rather doubt that level of planning wouldn't have led to changes (and I used to live in the Cleveland area, so I know those roads were long complained of as outmoded). I shouldn't have to click on the link to the Veterans' Glass City Memorial Skyway to find out it's in the Toledo area, either.

Take a step back, address these issues and any other ones that come up. Then you can renominate it. Daniel Case 13:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nominee for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of August 7, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Good prose, no errors in the text I can see although someone familer to American spelling ought to check it properly.

2. Factually accurate?: Official sources cited, no accuracy problems I can see.

3. Broad in coverage?: Covers major topics in approportae detail.

4. Neutral point of view?: Little content opposing official line, but considering the subject I can understand there may be little, and hard to find. An area for improvement.

5. Article stability? Mostly one editor, no edit wars or major instability.

6. Images?: Proper fair use followed where not a free image.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. - J Logan ^t: 16:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Ohio Department of Transportation/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will do the GA Reassessment of this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. H1nkles (talk) 19:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I go through the article I will address concerns that I see.

Per WP:Lead the lead is to be a summary of all the points brought up in the article. As such this article's lead needs to be expanded to address the history of ODOT, and the safety projects including snow and ice removal.
In the "Studies and Projects" section I see that 2 projects are scheduled for completion in 2007. What is the update on this?
There are a lot of linked terms that shouldn't be linked. This isn't something that would cause me to delist it from GA but it is part of the WP:Link section of the MOS. Words like "truck", "road", "construction" don't need to be linked since they are so general and are words in common English usage.
~~Another MOS issue is the need to specify US$ when giving dollar figures. Again, a bit nit picky but something to be aware of. See WP:Currency for more info on it.~~
- From that link: "The exception to this is in articles related entirely to US-, EU-, or UK-related topics, in which the first occurrence may also be shortened ($34, €26, and £22, respectively)". I interpret this to mean that using "US$" is unnecessary here. – T M F 20:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah you're probably right, please disregard. H1nkles (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The budget section is out of date and needs to be brought to current.
In the reference section, there are a few references that are not adequately formatted. Refs 12-15 need at least a publisher and ref 14 needs an accessdate as well. Also the following links are dead or in some way inaccessible: 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 16, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 35, 49, 50. Also the I70/I71 study external link is dead, along with the North Central Outerbelt study, the Northeast Expressway Transformation Project, and the I670 Completion Project. All these external links are dead.
So the main issues that need to be addressed are the lead, bringing the information up to current, and all the dead links. As it currently stands I can't keep it as GA. I will put it on hold for a week pending work. Please contact me at my talk page if you have any questions or concerns. H1nkles (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article also paints a rosy picture of the agency, ignoring the many controversies that surround it. There have been numerous cases of corruption at the department and several claims of incompetency. I've encountered ODOT staff attempting to sanitize other articles, so that may have occurred here, too. - Eureka Lott 20:55, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow ok thank you for this information. That would be important to include in an article to ensure WP:NPOV compliance and also to meet the comprehensive requirement of the GA Criteria. I welcome discussion on this point since I'm obviously not nearly as close to this project as others are. H1nkles (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since no work has been done on this article as part of the review process then I am forced to delist. H1nkles (talk) 03:04, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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