Talk:Northern League (ice hockey, 2005–)

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– The current date range format for the first three of these hockey leagues doesn't seem to follow the usual Wikipedia convention. I found only 27 titles like this on the English Wikipedia. As for the fourth one, I found no indication that the older New Brunswick Junior Hockey League is a primary topic over the newer one, so I suggest disambiguation. Pageviews here. If we need to pick one of the two as primary, I suggest picking the new one. Some people looking for the new one are almost certainly landing on the article about the older one by accident. There is no hatnote to indicate that a reader might have found the wrong article. There is also a New Brunswick Junior C Hockey League article. Also, is it necessary to use "ice hockey" for the Northern League rather than just "hockey"? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 08:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 12:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BarrelProof just my 2 cents, the first two seem like uncontroversial moves that wouldn't require an RM. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that these moves seem uncontroversial. Northern League doesnt have any sources so it could be PRODded. Conyo14 (talk) 18:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. For organisations that still exist, we usually just use the year without a dash or "present" (e.g. Northern League (ice hockey, 2005). -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be true, and thanks for noticing, so I suppose the first three titles should be different. I did find a few contrary examples, such as Chicago Mustangs (2012–present), Dallas Sidekicks (2012–present), Eastern League (1938–present), Harrisburg Heat (2012–present), Major League Indoor Soccer (2022–present), Metso (2020–present), Social Democratic Party (UK, 1990–present), Southern League (1964–present), but the number of them seems pretty small, so I presume they are outliers. Also Lagos Open (2000–present), but that is an event series rather than an organization. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Ice Hockey has been notified of this discussion. Reading Beans 12:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: For entities that are still in operation, I suggest the birthyear should not be included in the title if it can be avoided, and that the year-to-present and year-to-cliffhanger constructions should be avoided entirely. A beginning date without an end date implies that an end date is anticipated, that there's another shoe to drop. MOS:REALTIME discourages the use of relative time references like "present" in articles because they tend to go out of date, and titles are less fluid than articles. In this case I think Northern League (ice hockey) with a disambiguating hatnote link to Northern League (ice hockey, 1966–1982) is appropriate. Buffalkill (talk) 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that the current entity is not necessarily the primary one, hence the use of years of establishment even for those that still exist. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:51, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Final relist. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move:

Northern League (ice hockey, 2005–) → Northern League (ice hockey, 2005)

Eastern Hockey League (2013–) → Eastern Hockey League (2013)

New Brunswick Junior Hockey League (2012–) → New Brunswick Junior Hockey League (2012)

New Brunswick Junior Hockey League → New Brunswick Junior Hockey League (1969–1983)

Create a DAB at New Brunswick Junior Hockey League

As noted above, it is unusual to use an ending dash or "—present" in a disambiguation, the year established is favorable. I also wouldn't oppose something like (ice hockey, established 2005), but that might be unnecessarily verbose. ASUKITE 20:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]