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... that shipwreck hunter Noel Hilliam claimed to find a sunken U-Boat off the coast of New Zealand?

Source: In 2008 The Underwater Heritage Group (of which Noel Hilliam was vice-president) announced that they had discovered a German U-boat off the Kaipara Coast. Hilliam claimed the submarine had been 'observed seven times' and three divers had been to it – however, no photographs exist and it has not since been seen.^[1]^[2]

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Moved to mainspace by Petersmeter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Petersmeter (talk) 07:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll give this a review. Schwede 66 08:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some content issues first. The date and place of birth are unreferenced, and you either need to reference those or remove the info. There is an unreferenced section (same thing; either reference it or remove the info). Wikipedia use quotation marks (") rather than apostrophes ('); please change this throughout the article. I've fixed up numerous stylistic issues myself. Now to the DYK criteria. The article was new in mainspace when it was nominated. It's long enough. Apart from the parts listed above, it's suitably referenced. Hilliam was a controversial chap, but I'm happy that it's written in a neutral way. Earwig is clean; all it finds are direct quotes. This appears to be the nominator's second DYK nomination, hence a QPQ is not required. The grammar of the hook is off; it would need to be "claimed to have found". The hook fact itself is referenced. Once the above issues are sorted, this is good to go. Schwede 66 09:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help with this article Schwede66 - I think I have corrected all the quotation marks, added references for the unreferenced section and added a reference for birth place/date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petersmeter (talk • contribs) 13:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You will find that Geni.com is not a reliable source; it's listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. I suggest you have a look on PapersPast whether you can find a birth notice in one of the local papers. Schwede 66 16:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I have trawled through papers past and online am unable to find any other references. So have removed the date and location of birth. Petersmeter (talk)

Good to go. Schwede 66 23:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "U-196 found off New Zealand ?". Uboat.net.
^ "German U-boat found in Northland waters, group claims". RNZ. 7 November 2008.

[1] "U-196 found off New Zealand ?". Uboat.net.

[2] "German U-boat found in Northland waters, group claims". RNZ. 7 November 2008.

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