Talk:Night Drive (album)
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Requested move 1 May 2018
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 16:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
– Clear primary topic. Nothing else notable enough for an article. Unreal7 (talk) 13:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose no evidence given that this qualifies under criteria 2 of WP:PT, a dozen other subjects. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. A seemingly notable album vs. three non-notable album tracks. — AjaxSmack 23:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Why is it notable? It's WP:RECENT but didn't chart. The comic book and Giorgio Moroder instrumental have more GBook hits. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per In ictu oculi. There are 15 entries listed at the Night Drive disambiguation page. With such a number of WP:DABMENTIONS, a single entry posited as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would have to demonstrate that it is more notable than the remaining 14 entries combined. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:DABMENTION, there is WP:NOPRIMARY.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:03, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Support It seems that one specific user seems to have followed this RM by adding over a dozen other items to the DAB page. And that's fine. But the fact remains that there is only one notable topic at this name. The existence of other non-notable topics alone is not a reason for an actually notable topic to not be the primary -- even if said user is opposed in principle to songs occupying primary topics.--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yaksar, don't be personal please. Our dab pages are often incomplete. Songs (this is an RM about an album) can qualify under A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term., many Beatles ABBA Stones Lady Gaga etc songs do. But this doesn't and a search in GBooks makes it obvious that it doesn't: "Night Drive is" (the first hit is the title of a well known poem by a Nobel Prize winner). I am not responsible for this album not passing that test. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to be personal, but context is certainly important -- this move was proposed and then you proceeded to add to the disambiguation page a dozen topics without demonstrated notability, and then said there were too many other entries for this to be the primary. As you should know, primary topic is determined by relative notability. There isn't some rule that only works by bands you consider important enough can be the primary, as some have tried to claim in the past. We compare to other notable topics at the same name -- your oft-practiced solution of drive-by adding topics without pages to a dab page so that no pop-culture subject you don't personally consider significant enough is at a primary is quite frankly disruptive for readers who may be searching for actual content. We don't want to be elitist: whether we like it or not, an Avici song can just as easily be a primary topic as a pulitzer prize winning author's poem (especially since, as you know, notability is not simply transferable -- the poem would have to be notable too).--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- All disambiguation pages have entries for topics that have relatively higher notability than other topics. By the standards of relative notability, every dab page would thus have a primary topic. The majority of dab pages, however, have no primary topics. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- You're telling me Yaksar that adding a Nobel Prize winner's poem which is the first hit in books to WP:DABMENTION may be "disruptive" to readers that are searching for pop music? Are you serious? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:34, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to be personal, but context is certainly important -- this move was proposed and then you proceeded to add to the disambiguation page a dozen topics without demonstrated notability, and then said there were too many other entries for this to be the primary. As you should know, primary topic is determined by relative notability. There isn't some rule that only works by bands you consider important enough can be the primary, as some have tried to claim in the past. We compare to other notable topics at the same name -- your oft-practiced solution of drive-by adding topics without pages to a dab page so that no pop-culture subject you don't personally consider significant enough is at a primary is quite frankly disruptive for readers who may be searching for actual content. We don't want to be elitist: whether we like it or not, an Avici song can just as easily be a primary topic as a pulitzer prize winning author's poem (especially since, as you know, notability is not simply transferable -- the poem would have to be notable too).--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yaksar, don't be personal please. Our dab pages are often incomplete. Songs (this is an RM about an album) can qualify under A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term., many Beatles ABBA Stones Lady Gaga etc songs do. But this doesn't and a search in GBooks makes it obvious that it doesn't: "Night Drive is" (the first hit is the title of a well known poem by a Nobel Prize winner). I am not responsible for this album not passing that test. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.