Talk:Nebraska (The Walking Dead)

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Category:Nebraska in fiction

Is the category "Nebraska in fiction" necessary? Nebraska was only mentioned in the episode a couple of times as a potential destination. --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although I think a little more detail was gone into the nature of Nebraska than that, I do agree that this category is not really appropriate. Feel free to remove it.

--Ben Culture (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And done well! --Ben Culture (talk) 06:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Song

Did anyone recognize the ending song? Sounds like black label society or something zakk wylde-ish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.255.180 (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently it is The Regulator, by Clutch - as per this blog http://lefthandhorror.com/2012/02/12/the-walking-dead-meets-clutch/ - I really dig it!124.170.125.84 (talk) 09:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two new characters

I don't think the line about two new characters being introduced to the series should really remain. Being killed off in the same episode in which you were introduced doesn't count, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.212.240 (talk) 18:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

Whomever wrote the plot, great job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.198.39 (talk) 08:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking forward to DAP's expansion! --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(→‎Production: "Allusion" to Springsteen is SHEER CONJECTURE on Rawling's/TIME's part. See Talk page. Removing improperly sourced statements.)

ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALISTS ARE LAZY.

And fans love any excuse to put references, and even sexy little black & white photos, of their favorite rock stars into Wikipedia articles.

Here is what Nate Rawlings of TIME magazine wrote about the title of this episode:

Intentional or not, the show’s title alludes to one of pop culture’s strongest references to Nebraska, the 1982 album by Bruce Springsteen. In the title track, the Boss tells a first-person narrative of Charles Starkweather, who went on a rampage, killing 11 people in 1958. The song’s narrator sees humanity plagued by existential doom, which may be catching up with Rick and the gang. . . .

In other words, conjecture. Just like whoever the first lazy journalist was who decided to suggest that Pink Floyd's "Dogs" was influenced by Allen Ginsberg, when it wasn't, and Roger Waters never said it was, but because whoever-it-was got his lazy conjecture into print, it proliferated like dandelions, winding up on other journalists's web pages, sounding more and more "fact-like" and "truthy" each time. It becomes a "factoid", unsubstantiated, but oft repeated and believed. It becomes an indestructible little nugget of journalistic feces.

Well, I'm not having it. Not on my watch, etc. etc.

Besides, c'mon, the KNOWN facts are interesting enough! If you pay attention to the dialogue, it's VERY INTERESTING that they chose to title the episode "Nebraska" -- WITHOUT any Springsteen references! There are specific lines of dialogue about Nebraska in the series, and they all carry their own interesting little weight. It makes the show more interesting to let the verifable facts stand by themselves, unadorned by tacky conjecture.

If I worked for Time or some other infotainment magazine, I could JUST as easily have conjectured that the "Nebraska" title "unconsciously alludes" to the role Nebraska plays in Stephen King's The Stand, which is, just like The Walking Dead, a post-apocalyptic story of survival horror! Nebraska is where all the "good" survivors go, spurred on by their dreams, to find Mother Abigail, the 106-year-old black prophet woman around whom the "good" survivors form their new society. I could suggest parallels between Herschel Greene, the show's oldest and most-religious character, and Abagail Freemantle. SEE? I mean, it makes every bit as much sense as the Springsteen thing -- more, actually -- and, just like the Springsteen thing, it doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article. (Although I will say, Stephen King seems to be a big ol' Broose fan, and certaintly quotes him enough in his many best-selling doorstops. Uncle Steve probably wouldn't mind a BIT if you slapped up some sexy little photos of Broose, all sweaty in an undershirt, on his Wikipedia article.)

Let's not be like lazy entertainment journalists. C'mon, we're better than that. This is Wikipedia! We're not Time or TV Guide -- Wikipedia's gonna be around 500 years from now!
--Ben Culture (talk) 11:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: When I had to remove some more conjecturing bullshit that Clark Collis of Entertainment Weekly threw past an agreeable Robert Kirkman -- that Lori's horrific little accident was an homage to that other riveting horrorshow, Smokey and the Bandit -- I discovered that Collis, like Nate Rawlings of TIME, also attempted to hang Springsteen's depressing dud around Our Hero's neck like a fucking albatross:

EW: Was the episode’s title, “Nebraska,” a tip of the hat to the most depressing album Bruce Springsteen has ever made?
KIRKMAN: I’ll go with that. Evan Reilly that wrote this episode — brilliantly I must add — and I know he’s a huge Springsteen fan.

Confirmation, then? NO! ARE YOU HIGH?!? You find Evan Reilly confirming it -- and remember, no original research or reporting -- and you finally get to say YES, this episode's REALLY all about Bruce Freaking Springsteen! Or Burt Freaking Reynolds! Whatever Reilly confirms. Maybe you'll really luck out, and he'll confirm both the "allusion" to Broose and the "homage" to Burt! And then it will finally be the 1970s forever -- and this article will disappear altogether, along with the rest of the Internet, so I'd call that a pretty Pyrrhic victory.

--Ben Culture (talk) 21:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am truly disturbed by the bad journalism that's being turned into false statements in this article!

Okay, before I got to this article, it STATED, without qualification, that this show's title was an "allusion" to Springsteen, and that a certain scene was an "homage" to Smokey and the Bandit. And sure, they had sources. They had inline citations, baby! But if you actually read these sources, you find that in BOTH cases, it's OBVIOUS that these ideas originate with the journalist. The Lazy Entertainment Journalist. What bothers me is, when one or two editors wanted to put these little connections (to stale, old, Baby-Boomer bollocks, but that's not the point) in, they removed the qualifiers that made it clear it was all just pie-in-the-sky bullshitting on the Lazy Entertainment Journalist's part. And once those things get into a Wikipedia article, if they stay there, they are well on their way to becoming indestructible factoids.

You cannot rely on Lazy Entertainment Journalists to provide you with facts. At best, they will provide you with quotes. You can't be expected to find out if those quotes are really accurate or not. But you are expected to read, and show some discernment. When the Lazy Entertainment Journalist bats his eyes at Robert Kirkman and says to him, "Um, Bobby? Was that scene in that episode an ... homaaage ... to my VERY FAVE Burt Reynolds movie?" And Bobby Kirkman says "I was going to say Dukes of Hazzard, I had nothing to do with it, but sure, whatever, man, I can't get over how freakin' wealthy I am!" you are expected to HAVE A BULLSHIT DETECTOR.

For example, the quotations between journalist and Kirkman in the preceding paragraph are made up, and you should have suspected that. The part in boldface, however, Kirkman actually said.

See, entertainment journalists actually do not have as high a standard of verified truth that Wikipedia does. We actually have to have higher standards than them, regarding what's apparently or actually true, while at the same time we are forbidden to do our own research or reporting. THEY are allowed to conjecture that Gen X television gets all its ideas from bad Baby-Boomer bollocks. WE cannot report that as fact, just because Gen X television was too polite to say, "Heyyy, waitaminnit, fuck you, you lazy old hack!" --Ben Culture (talk) 07:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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