Talk:National Women's Soccer League attendance

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Yang, Steph (July 12, 2024). "NWSL attendance surpasses 1 million fans – but growth is not shared equally across teams". The Athletic. Retrieved November 10, 2024.

Includes playoffs?

For the tables in the "Total attendance" section, it should say whether the attendance numbers include the playoffs or are just for the regular season. (Which is it?)

Regular season. Updated. Jeff in CA (talk) 02:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

CyMoahk2 + GrouchoPython - I see you both have done a bit of work on updating attendance #'s, stats, etc for NWSL season articles in the past. I was wondering if this article might be something you would be interested in helping update + publish? I've based it on a copy of the MLS attendance article and started updating the lead and some other sections. The following sections need updating (along with anything else you think would be good to add):

~~2016 season #'s, stadiums, capacity~~
NWSL attendance vs. other women's soccer leagues worldwide (could be shortened // hidden for now)
NWSL Championship playoffs (not sure if data available // hidden for now)

Hmlarson (talk) 22:47, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, nice! I've had a rough draft of this article sitting on my computer for about a month now. X-D I'm definitely interested in helping here! Some of the sections on my rough draft included comparing NWSL to other US soccer leagues, as opposed to the other US women's sports leagues you've currently got. I'm also working on a year-by-year attendance table like the one already on the MLS attendance article. I'll see what updates I can throw on right now. Thanks for starting this Hmlarson! CyMoahk2 (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 November 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved due due to general consensus over COMMONNAME as brought up first by Steel1943. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

National Women's Soccer League attendance → NWSL attendance – commonname Hmlarson (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Hmlarson: Or would it be clearer to use the full name? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. NWSL is a redirect, which invalidates the WP:COMMONNAME claim since that would mean that National Women's Soccer League world be at NWSL, which it is not. Steel1943 (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: per WP:CONSISTENCY - the main article is at National Women's Soccer League not NWSL; either all pages related to the National Women's Soccer League should change or none should. Ebonelm (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: also per WP:CONSISTENCY - the article this one is intended to mirror is Major League Soccer attendance, not MLS attendance. CyMoahk2 (talk) 23:22, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support re: WP:CONSISTENCY - either this should be changed to NWSL attendance or the following should be changed in reverse:
NWSL expansion
NWSL Player Allocation
List of NWSL drafts
NWSL College Draft
NWSL Player of the Week
NWSL awards
NWSL Player of the Month
NWSL Playoffs
List of foreign NWSL players
2014 NWSL Expansion Draft
2013 NWSL College Draft
2015 NWSL College Draft
2016 NWSL College Draft
NWSL Shield

et al... Hmlarson (talk) 00:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- You mean like...
- MLS SuperDraft
- MLS Cup Playoffs
- List of foreign MLS players
- MLS Best XI
- etc.?
- My point here is that "consistency" is relative. I don't know what the people who work with MLS articles generally do, but in my opinion I would prefer we use "National Women's Soccer League __" for any article that's more encyclopedic and "NWSL __" for any article that's more casual parlance, if that makes any sense. Or just mirror how the MLS articles are already split. CyMoahk2 (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can see it both ways. When I google "NWSL attendance" vs "National Women's Soccer League attendance", I don't get the article in the results for the former - how about you? There's something to be said for WP:COMMONNAME - particularly when the league's own website homepage only lists the full league name in the footer and HTML title. Hmlarson (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Steel1943. The proposed new title should be kept as a redirect. SST flyer 10:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. From CyMoahk2's comment above, it seems that the consistency argument doesn't quite work in this case. However, there is a reason why the main article is not at NWSL and that is WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, and in particular MOS:ACRONYMTITLE. NWSL is not a household name in the same way that NASA or CIA is, and it is therefore preferable to spell it out. The same should apply to the other articles in the list above, in my opinion. — Amakuru (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Individual game highest attendance

Why is there a separate section for "Doubleheaders with other teams" when that list contains only one entry? Wouldn't it better be served by an footnote like the asterisk for the "Sell Out"? Is there a relevant part of the style guide or a compelling reason these two lists shouldn't be combined? Is there another article where the same distinction is made?

HackBug (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Attendance record

@Seany91: I saw you reverted my update of the single-match attendance record despite the reliable sources verifying it. If it is true that there are multiple 2024 matches yet to be added to the table, shouldn't we be adding them and not removing them? Seems counterproductive. — AFC Vixen 🦊 21:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally edit records and stats once a year at the end of the season – tracking weekly changes is more effort than I personally am able to devote here. Of course recognizing that every editor has their own preferences, so if you want to add to it in the middle of the season, please do feel free! But like all other stats-related edits, factual accuracy and correctness are paramount, so if you're gonna do it don't just change the one game you heard about – check all the games between the existing and the new date stamps. Seany91 (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See, i.e., 2024 National Women's Soccer League season#Highest attendances. Seany91 (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the referral to highest attendances section of that article, though I will say that I simply do not see the difficulty of adding, what was in the end, just two matches to the table. It took me just five minutes to do so. — AFC Vixen 🦊 14:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like 5 minutes well spent for you then! Thanks for adding. Seany91 (talk) 15:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting numbers

Sports Business Journal published an article today with club averages and YoY percentage changes for both the 2023 and 2024 seasons. These total and average numbers conflict with the numbers in this article for the league and several clubs across both seasons, which cite Soccer Stadium Digest for 2023 and a Sportico story for the 2 million league total threshhold in 2024.

Furthermore, the Soccer Stadium Digest numbers for 2023 don't add up. It lists an average of 10,432 over 131 matches for a total of 1,366,581. However, 10,432 × 131 = 1,366,592. The SBJ-reported average for 2023 is 10,638, which assuming 131 reported matches would equal 1,395,578.

The most notable change in the SBJ list is Angel City passing San Diego for the league's largest attendance by dropping San Diego's average by 1,342. This suggests that SBJ might have counted the final regular-season match that was relocated from San Diego to Louisville as a San Diego home attendance figure, or as zero. Numbers for Chicago, Louisville, NJ/NY, Seattle, Utah, and Washington also have smaller changes in average attendance, all increases.

The numbers from the SBJ article formatted as their respective tables in the article, should they be worth replacing:

Total regular season attendance

Season	Total gate	Games	Average	Change	High avg.^[a]	Team	Low avg.	Team	Ref.
2023	1,395,578	131^[b]	10,638	32.2%	20,718	San Diego Wave FC	4,849	Chicago Red Stars	^[2]
2024	2,047,500	182	11,250	6%	19,313	Angel City FC	6,194	Houston Dash	^[2]

Attendance by team

Season	BAY	BOS	CHI	FCKC	HOU	KCC	LA	LOU	NC	NJY	ORL	POR	RGN	SD	UTA	WAS	WNY
2023^[2]	—	—	4,848	—	5,857	11,353	19,756	5,999	5,384	6,293	6,005	18,918	13,610	20,718	—	10,876	—
2024^[2]	13,617	—	7,160	—	6,194	11,500	19,313	6,521	6,362	8,721	8,340	18,725	8,506	18,233	10,366	13,952	—

References

^ "Courage defeat Dash 1-0 in weather-shortened match". NWSL. April 28, 2023.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Silverman, Alex (November 26, 2024). "NWSL rides 6% uptick to record attendance in '24". Sports Business Journal. Retrieved November 26, 2024.

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[ap-hou-nc-2] "Courage defeat Dash 1-0 in weather-shortened match". NWSL. April 28, 2023.

[2023-24_attendance-4] Silverman, Alex (November 26, 2024). "NWSL rides 6% uptick to record attendance in '24". Sports Business Journal. Retrieved November 26, 2024.

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