Talk:National Unity (Israel)

Political Position

@2a00:23c7:c09e:ed01:dd6d:a171:6e75:fa91, Shadow4dark, and 86.115.117.131: please discuss the NUP's political position before starting an edit war over it. If you're all cool with the status quo, that's fine too. Totalstgamer (talk) 10:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

They using 2019 sources about a party found in 2022. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear IP user your source using statement of Ayelet Shaked wich is WP:OR also it still not mentioned centre left if you not come wit sources it should be renoved Shadow4dark (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

They have members from the centre-left such as Eizenkot, centre such as Gantz, and ones who are more right leaning such as Sa'ar and Kahana. Personally I think either centre or big tent is the best definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayhood97 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

You must provide sources Shadow4dark (talk) 19:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The name of the party in English

Do we have any official source, from the party itself (not a single reporter), stating that the name of this party in English is "National Unity Party"? It's a very strange translation from Hebrew - not just because it's a very non-literal translation, but more importantly - because Israel has already had a very different party called "האיחוד הלאומי" that literally means "National Unity"!

By the way, the closest literal translation can be Country Party - from that article: "It claimed to be a nonpartisan force fighting for the nation's interest—the whole "country"—against the self-interested actions of the Court Party". Those are more or less the same goals as those stated by the new Israeli party.

Nyh (talk) 11:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

The Jonathan Shamir Haaretz source attributes this English name to a party spokesperson. Eigenbra (talk) 15:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

We Should Change This Alliance to the Past Tense

Since New Hope left the alliance, I'm pretty sure it's ended now, so I think it should be listed as a former party, or at the very least, we should include that New Hope has left Sutapurachina (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

The Coalition still includes 2 independents, so it is still in place. However, I have removed the New Hope from the coaliton, as you asked. Mr manor11 (talk) 02:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

"Center-left bloc" or "Center-left party"

The Source I provided is not exactly the greatest in translating into English, but read in it's original Hebrew, it is saying that Sa'ar and Gantz's two parties together made up the Center-left bloc in 2022, coming in the form of the National Unity alliance.

As such, while individual parties may be treated different, the coalition is itself center-left, and is not a product of synthesis. Mr manor11 (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Unless a source explicitly states what its being used for its WP:SYNTH, it’s as simple as that. Also Middle East Monitor is not listed as an unreliable source nor "Muslim brotherhood-funded" as you claimed. Helper201 (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1. It is explciity stating it, but it comes off poorly in English is what I am saying.
2. Middle East Monitor is well known as an outlet for Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood, and it literally made it onto it's own wiki page: "Middle East Monitor".

Mr manor11 (talk) 19:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, it still doesn't meet the criteria set out in order to not violate the rule regarding synthesis of published material. In regards to MEM it’s still not listed as an unreliable source, so it’s not up to editors to selectively remove it unless and until there is a consensus regarding its unreliability. Helper201 (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not synthesized though. It may be better if I just publish it in the original hebrew, so there is no ambiguity.

In Short, it is saying the national Unity bloc IS the center-left bloc, and that New Hope was once a part of it, but no longer is.

Putting it in the original hebrew would make this all much clearer.

Is a Autocratic state-funded source being affilliated with two recognized terrorist organizations not enough? Mr manor11 (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, I don't know Hebrew, but I stand by what I've said. In regards to MEM those reasons could certainly be used to argue its unreliability, but a consensus should be formed and the result should be listed on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, not selectively removed by individual editors. Helper201 (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough.

Would you mind if I re-added it with the hebrew source? I'll provide a translation in the link so it can be understood.

Thanks. Mr manor11 (talk) 20:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

That would be going off of your translation. Not to say your unreliable. It’s just we can't go via the translations or interpretations of editors as it would constitute original research. Helper201 (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Then I can simply add it with no translation, as it doesn't make the source any less accurate.

Plenty of wiki sources, especially those of non-English speaking poltics, use sources not in English, so if I add it without any sort of my own translation/interpretation, it should be fine.

And furthermore, just an FYI, the "Center-right" title was often used as a Compromise between Gantz and Sa'ar, but now that the latter is gone, the alliance is now shifted to the left. Mr manor11 (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Ideology Sources need updating

Given the split with Gideon Sa'ar and New Hope, the National Unity Coalition will no longer have the same ideological leanings and balancing that it did previously. As such, previous sources, all of which referred to a party including New Hope, are outdated, and should be updated with new ones that reflect the new party as soon as possible. Mr manor11 (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)