Talk:National Highway 26 (India)

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Requested move 16 March 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved for lack of support (moving back to status quo ante). Alternative suggestions can be pursued. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

National Highway 26 (India) → National Highway 26 (India)(old numbering) – As per all other pages, for uniformity and also it is old numbering system. Make way for creating new numbering system with this name. Vin09 (talk) 06:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as proposed double parenthetical disambiguation. There doesn't need to be doubled up brackets, they can be housed under one set of parens. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:25, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What about National Highway 2 (India)(old numbering), National Highway 5 (India)(old numbering), National Highway 7 (India)(old numbering) and many other pages?--Vin09 (talk) 06:03, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - WP:OTHERSTUFF they are incorrectly named per the parenthetical disambiguation guide, there should only be one set of parentheses. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:41, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Then there should be a discussion to move them in bulk at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian roads.--Vin09 (talk) 05:13, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, changed per your rationale to single parenthesis, check if its right? If you wish, we'll take this to Wiki Indian roads to change them.--Vin09 (talk) 05:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have lifted my objection since this no longer uses multiple parentheses -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 06:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I have reinstated by opposition, since the dual brackets have been reintroduced -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the discussions on old NHs Talk:National_Highway_1D_(India)(old_numbering)#Requested_moves -- naveenpf (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Naveenpf: So, what should I keep now for this?--Vin09 (talk) 06:43, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since article is describing old NH, we need to keep it as National Highway 26 (India)(old numbering). -- naveenpf (talk) 07:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. WP:PARENDIS does not encompass anything so bletcherous as double parentheticals. That's redundant, confusing, and sloppy. Especially without spacing, which makes it patently ungrammatical. If the old numbering conflicts with the new (i.e., two roads could end up with same number in our article titles), then use natural language as always: National Highway 26 (India, old numbering). This is also consonant with WP:NATURALDIS and WP:COMMADIS. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 21:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SMcCandlish: That's what it is mentioned above. There was a discussion it seems regarding old NHs at [[Talk:National_Highway_1D_(India)(old_numbering)#Requested_moves as @Naveenpf: told. All the pages were moved as per that. Now, what should be done?--Vin09 (talk) 04:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if this goes as I expect, mass-RM them to sensible names. Should, somehow, this RM come to no consensus, have an RfC about it, at WT:AT, the talk page of the naming policy, since this "Foo (bar)(baz)" format is utterly unheard-of in WP history. LOL. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 05:10, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose , the double parenthetical is an abomination besides being not very clear. That some other stuff has been unnoticed before should not be regarded as good precedent. older ≠ wiser 16:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No double-parens. I see nothing wrong with National Highway 26 (India, old numbering), or perhaps National Highway 26 (India; old numbering). In fact, if there is no other country that has an "old numbering", this could just be at National Highway 26 (old numbering). bd2412 T 18:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The parentheses serve as a logical indentation of information. Two at the same level but separate isn't logical. Support National Highway 26 (India; old numbering). "India" is important information belonging in the title. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wish the admin to move it to National Highway 26 (India, old numbering) if the above move is inappropriate.--Vin09 (talk) 05:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is there then a new National Highway 26 in India which is different from this one? Because the article is written in the present tense. Maybe that should be sorted out before the articles are renamed! If the roads follow the same course but have a new number then just rename the articles to the new number and note the old number in the text. Only if the roads are entirely new and include bits of various previous roads do we need to have some sort of "old number" disambiguator. Sort this out before you start confusing everybody, because having read the articles I'm bloody confused! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Necrothesp: If I want to create National highway 16 (new numbering) with the content same as National Highway 5 (India)(old numbering). what should I do?--Vin09 (talk) 13:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As you have done. Just move it. But ensure you (a) specify the old number in the article, (b) once you've renamed both the articles, rename it back to National Highway 16 (India), and (c) add a hatnote to National Highway 5 (India) pointing to National Highway 16 (India). We don't need two more or less identical articles for the same road even if the number has changed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Necrothesp: I've moved National Highway 16 (India)(old numbering).--Vin09 (talk) 12:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Now I've named that to National Highway 16 (India), as it's now the only road with that name, and added a hatnote to the old road with that number. This is the way to do it to prevent confusion and retain information. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:18, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Necrothesp: I'll do it for Andhra Pradesh and Telangana related pages.--Vin09 (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

What to do now?

It seems like a wider discussion is needed as to how to handle the changed numbering scheme for the India national highways. As noted above in the discussion, it seems silly to maintain a whole suite of articles for both the old and new numbers. Where a road with number has simply swapped to another number (or even one where the large majority is the same road), it seems sensible to just move the old number page to the new number page. Where is the best place to look up the exact changes that have happened? Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Amakuru: The ref is the old numbering, and it is the new numbering.--Vin09 (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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