Talk:Naruto/Archive 5

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Influence

I think that a lot of the trouble with this article is coming from what influence we want in the article. So what do we want in it, American or Japanese influence?

For instance, if we go by the American version, then the ninja rank Jounin will be spelled Jonin and Maito Gai will be spelled Might Guy.

If we go by the Japanese version, then the ninja rank will remain Jounin and Maito Gai will still remain the same.

If we decide on what type of influence we want in the article, then we should be able to avoid edit wars and all that stuff. (Benpercent 00:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

Generally in anime and manga, the official licensed English name is used. So it would probably be Jonin and Might Guy. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the English influence is what the WP:MOS says to use, I think. I have had to deal with my share of ignorant anons trying to change Guy to Gai and chunin to chuunin, and this is the English Wikipedia, so English all the way. Treima 01:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It took me awhile to figure that out, but I did. Although I'm all for the Japanese version, I have to agree with the decision.--Benpercent 03:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

And besides, the english translations are more official than the fan subs. Kinda like how Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, Cloud's name was 'Kuraudo'. 'Maito' is just the Japanese way of saying Might and Gai is spelled Guy over her, like in Street Fighter. The spelling is more correct because they're professionals.--Ryu Ematsu

I may be a little late, but shouldn't we follow the rules here? :S -- Xxbakasan

We already do that. Didn't you read that section? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Characters Section Update?

It states in the character section that Kabuto Yakushi's motives are yet to be discovered. Was it not revealed when they found out he was under the employ of Sasori to spy on Orochimaru, and that Orochimaru later removed the jutsu? I forget certain details easily, so I may have missed some other unanswered detail, but I feel that the question of his motives--for the most part--have been revealed. Gederoth 18:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Go to a forum and ask.IamCool316 22:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't wish to spam somebody's forum about something that's going on in Wikipedia. I suppose I will have to go back through the manga and take a look myself. Gederoth 20:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

"Romanized as..."

Hey all, changed

Naruto (ナルト, romanized as NARUTO in Japan)

to

Naruto (ナルト, Naruto)

because the "romanized as..." part seemed against normal practaces. If There was a reason for the change, feel free to revert it. :)

-- DesireCampbell 06:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that's important in some cases. It's like with Bleach. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, why? Is it simply because it's used in the logo? And why ALL CAPS? -- DesireCampbell 10:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Because Latin alphabet letters are written with all caps when used in Japanese. Danny Lilithborne 11:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

But isn't that just a style issue, not a translational issue? I just don't see the merit in "Romanized as NARUTO in Japan" over simply showing a common romanization of the Japanese text. -- DesireCampbell 11:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

a japanese person would not know what the hell you're talking about with the whole uppercaase or lowercase thing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.211.104.157 (talk) 07:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

New External Link

I've found a Naruto site that has some good information. Hopefully, it's good enough to put on the Naruto main page. Tell me what you think:

Leaf Ninja.com

K yo cat^meow! 18:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That site is probably a fansite, and adding it would be like adding spam--SUIT 19:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

oh. didn't see that. K yo cat^meow! 19:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

rumor of end of fillers

http://community.livejournal.com/weeklyjump – read it. suck it k? IamCool316 17:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

How is a comment from the series creator inside of his own publisher's syndication a "rumor"? :) Does anyone else have access to Weekly Jump Issue #52 to corroborate this? –Gunslinger47 18:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

People tend to call it a rumor because he often changes his mind and delays the end of the fillers even more. Very irritating. I'm not sure if we can even trust their prediction right now.--Benpercent 03:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... Kishi doesn't decide when the fillers end. He has nothing to do with the anime's production. Also, the fillers have never been "announced" to be ended. Any time you've heard that the fillers would end before this have just been rumors. The Splendiferous Gegiford 03:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=40544001qi6hp7.jpg

Some visual proof, though a crappy scan. Everything I've read thus far marks it as reliable. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

the latest translated episode (214-215) has a trailer at the end for the Shukaku storyline to begin on 1/11/07. End of the fillers are coming sooner than Feb.Anomic1 05:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you, but those are filler episodes. There's no tiny, mace-weilding kid in the timeskip, and Temari dresses differently. Everything up to at least 220 will be fillers. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Someguy0830, is right the fillers were said to end before 2/15/07, and start the new series with a hour special introducing everyone, stated in the shonen jump magazine. Possibly the fillers will last till the begining of february, then have maybe kakashi gaiden, before the new series. – FlamiN12345 18:02, 5 January 2007

Information

Could somebody tell me/add to the artic(s), what episodes are fillers. How they are fillers. Where the fillers end. And could somebody also tell me/add to the article(s) the summaries of the story arcs? Like have a specific article for the "Sasuke Retrieval" arc for example...? Or could somebody at least tell me someway what the arcs are about? Like, what happens at certain points. Sorry, I just need this info quick. It would be GREATLY appreciated. I have AIM--Bizzarre099 and YIM rai_geary.

There's a navbox at the bottom of every page. That has your answers. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

101 is an (aweful!) Omake, 102-106 is filler. Interestingly, Naruto Movie I came from a limited edition manga and it parallels the events of 102-106 so closely that I doubt its a coincidence. 136 onward (to date) is filler, though the events of episode 141 after the return to Konoha are more or less "non-filler". –Gunslinger47 00:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

A filler is something that is used to take out time and will not forward the story in any way. Such examples are when characters participate in something unrelated to the story (such as when Naruto had to make ramen) or when dedicate an entire episode to showing a character's background (like Anko's flashbacks of her time with Orochimaru).--Benpercent 03:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Where does it say that One Peice is more populer that naruto? Naruto is the secound most populer manga Dragon Ball is the first more populer.Ikethebaby 21:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z is out of circulation. It doesn't count. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

new link

well i have been using this page [1] for a while and from there i download the manga so here is the URL for u guys to post it, heh sorry about earlier i tried to post it myself several times before i even noticed the note saying i should post here first.

Naruto Fan distributes copyrighted content. We can't link there. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

huh? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2J Church's (talk • contribs) .

NarutoFan continues to host IRC exclusive scanlation releases even though the translation groups have specifically contacted them to stop. I've even seen, within the translations themselves, text asking NarutoFan to stop hosting their content. For this reason, I prefer to stay away from their site. That, and there is something horrifically wrong with their comments there. Why are they posting about bathroom breaks? The hell?!

*ahem* Anyway, Wikipedia is not a web directory, but more specifically, Wikipedia is not a pirate hub. Intelligent people can find their way on their own, if they're so inclined. For you, I suggest typing "Dattebayo" into Google and navigate to the first link. Get your Naruto fix straight from the source, and leave out the disreputable middlemen. –Gunslinger47 00:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

For the anime, anyway. Manga has different sources, but you can be assured that a wide number of them are free. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Critisisim

somone blanked this part so could someone please re-ad this

It's OR, so no. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

well yout must be the [one] who cleared it so you put it back —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.52.122 (talk • contribs)

wow...

It seems like everyday there are 20 people changing "Naruto Uzumaki" to "Uzumaki Naruto" or "Might Guy" to "Maito Gai." What is it with these people? -- Sandtiger 08:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

They're new to Wikipedia and aren't familiar with our WP:MOS-JA#Names of modern figures policy. As for Guy, they are going off of the conventions of popular scanlation or dubbing groups. Sometimes these translation groups guess wrong, before the true translations are revealed (マイト = Might, not Maito), but keep using their incorrect versions for the sake of consistency throughout their releases. –Gunslinger47 18:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Might Guy himself announce himself as "Maito Gai" in the Japanese version?--Benpercent 03:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Maito Gai is the phonetic reading of Might Guy when speaking with Japanese mora. –Gunslinger47 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

So Maito is "Might" not "Mighty"? Xeago 03:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. However, I still believe we should use the traditional naming order. 'Uzumaki Naruto just seems to flow better than 'Naruto Uzumaki'. 65.100.147.48 19:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I also believe that Uzumaki Naruto sounds better but it's not just that but the fact that the clan name goes before the actual name. eg. Uchiha Sasuke (so hot in Part One), Haruno Sakura, Hyuuga Hinata, and Hyuuga Neji. Well, that's how they order it in the T.V. show. Peridotprincess 23:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"Just seems to flow better" isn't a good reason to ignore consensus. Danny Lilithborne 23:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't but my other reason is a good reason. Peridotprincess 00:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No it's not. The English version uses Western name order. English Wikipedia, English conventions: simple as that. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Different places have different policies. The dubbers might have different policies than we do, but their policies do not overrule ours. We choose a consistent ordering for the sake of consistency, so the reader doesn't have to guess. Not all readers will know to expect backward ordering if we did it the other way. –Gunslinger47 00:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe that we should keep the names in the original way it was: Uzumaki Naruto, Uchiha Sasuke, MAITO GAI [I still don't understand why they say Mighty Guy...the way you hear it pronounced in the Japanese, at least, is Maito] because it keeps a traditional flow. It annoys me to no end -and I realize that we are fortunate to actually have access to watch the Jap. version when people haven't- when I see people say it backwards, or write it on fanfiction or such. It's not their fault per se...but it's completely destroying the original Naruto. America has trashed this show, and wikipedia, providing information for those not clued in on the real current episodes, are making it worse. I can't stand the dubbed version. And as with spelling names on wikipedia, like Hyuuga, why bother putting Hyuga with the accent mark over the u? Or are we too lazy to put an extra 'u' to it. Consistency or not, everything should remain original. Sure.. slight changes.. but I think this way is honestly stupid. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.35.96.198 (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

A few things to point out to you -

We use Might Guy because that is the official Japanese spelling, as seen in this scan of the official guidebook.
The Japanese don't always use family-given order for names either. Here's a preview of the post-timeskip anime; note how all the characters are named in Western order in this official Japanese preview. The series' native country is just as inconsistent with the characters names as English-speaking countries are.
If you haven't noticed already, we don't use macrons on names like Hyuga, Choji and the like. They're pronounciation guides for certain letters, nothing more.

And if you seriously think that something as small as ordering of names have 'destroyed' Naruto in English, you evidently haven't seen the translation for the Cardcaptor Sakura anime. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Besides This was already decided so we won't be changing it now. Using Western order is not against Wikipedia rules as some seem to suggest. I also don't see anyone demanding the the page for Bleach and many other animes use family names first. Also on a personal note there are many dubs that are far worse than this. --64.229.104.211 02:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh noez, we're destroying a children's cartoon! JuJube 03:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Weapons and equipment

I watch development of Naruto in Wikipedia for quite long time, now most of things are covered and I am very thankful to everyone who make it happen. However, there still isn't any article about weapons and equipment. I would do it myself if I could, but I am beginner and don't want to mess things up =) I am willingly to help by any means I am able to help ^_^ Will anyone take care of this? Nara Shikao 19:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

We had that once. It was deleted. Most of it is character specific and discussed in more detail on their own pages. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

When you mention that, I remember it somewhere deep in my mind. Well, but still there are many things that apply for all ninjas... kunais, shurikens, exploding notes, soldier pills etc. It could be connected with clothing. BTW Such fast reply was surprising. – Nara Shikao 20:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps an article about ninja (Naruto)? There seems to be little discussion about the nature of ninja in the Naruto universe. They deviate greatly from the standard perception of ninja. I looked through the entire ninja article and found not a single reference to orange tracksuits! :D –Gunslinger47 21:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

They're plainclothes ninja, the karate equivalent of undercover police. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

But most ninja in Naruto aren't as emotionless and deadly as real-world ninjas. At least, I think so considering that modern society views ninja as emotionless tools of death. 65.100.147.48 19:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

And they kick everybody's butt whenever somebody try's to get in their way. But they still have time to be regular ordinary teens when they all go out and train. Or so I think. They need to seriously take time off and just do ordinary stuff.

About the naming of articles...

Are we sure "Hurricane Chronicles" should be used for all of them? I mean, it's an anime-only title, and most sources still use the term "Part 2" anyway. The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the actual name over the captialized "Part". Anime-only or no, it still presents a better convention than I or II. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay then. Also, when the new series debuts, we'll have to do a lot of reformatting. They'll most likely count this as a new series the same way they counted DBZ as a new series, so we'll need a new episode list page, different numbering formats (ie a character's anime debut is "Naruto episode 1" as opposed to just "Anime episode 1"), and maybe even a different page for the Hurricane Chronicles anime itself. Also, I guess we're going with "Hurricane Chronicles" rather than "Shippūden"? The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation is usually preferable over a direct name, especially when they have circumflexes and such. It'll be more of a pain in the ass when they make the switch. We can cross that road when we get to it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the "pain in the ass" part will that mean we'll have to move some characters like itachi to Hurricane Chronicles even though he was in Naruto. This is going to do more harm than good I wish they could keep it under one series.Sam ov the blue sand 16:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

We're not moving any characters anywhere. It's the same series. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And how do you know that?Sam ov the blue sand 00:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

What makes you think it's a separate series to begin with? All the previews have shown it's the post-timeskip events from the manga being animated, which means it's still the same series, new subtitle or not. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 00:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

My brain makes me think. That doesn't mean it couldn't be a seperate series.Sam ov the blue sand 01:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does. If it's the same as the manga, it's the same series. Get that straight. There's nothing new about it besides the fact that it's animated. Now stop asking this everywhere. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

OK I admit defeat I'm clearly out numbered here. By the way I did not ask everywhere, I asked in two places, Two places and if I wanted to ask this everywhere believe me I would've. First halve the people who edit akatsuki can't figure out a simple question, then I make a comment here, I didn't ask for an arguement I just wanted to make a simple comment, so sorry I'm a little ticked today. Oh and Someguy how and why are you always on my case for once I'd like to edit something without you reverting it.Sam ov the blue sand 02:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a different series in the same way that DBZ was a different series to DB - followed the same manga but just got a different name. I don't see how that's going to make characters get "moved" though. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

wow to think you of all people to understand what I'm saying it's you Geg, thankyou. What I mean by moving characters is that characters who are exclusive to N.H.C. like Yamato or Sai should be put with N.H.C. not with Naruto.Sam ov the blue sand 03:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

NHC is no less Naruto than Justice League is Justice League Unlimited. The series doesn't become a separate entity simply because the name changes. It doesn't matter if one character is exclusive to the timeskip. for disambiguation purposes we treat the series as a single entity. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Then why don't you tell DBZ that (people are using NHC, yes). Justice League is way different than Justice League Unlimited.Sam ov the blue sand 03:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

What is your point? We only need to mention NHC in certain parts of an article. We aren't separating anything at all. It's no more than just changing "Part 2" to NHC. Why are you making a big deal about this? Nemu 04:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

My piont is that there might (keyword is might) be a whole new series and it will need it's own article. Why am I making such a big deal about this..... no clue, my brain is saying ask and I'm saying OK. Oh and by the way why are you making such a big deal about this?Sam ov the blue sand 23:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't act like that. It's childish and accomplishes nothing. You're the one who won't stop asking about pointlessly moving characters left and right is spite of the fact that we've explained why that's not happening. Go read what we wrote. Don't give us this "my brain" nonsense because it's just that. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Look man you're not my mom (but you sure do sound like it). Looks like someone doesn't know how to take a joke. For some reason you seem to disagree with me on anything.Sam ov the blue sand 01:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest stopping this conversation here. –Gunslinger47 01:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OKSam ov the blue sand 01:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, you know how we got comparison charts for programs and stuff that say "Yes" or "No" or "?" for a feature. Why don't we put those on the bottom of each character profile, except have them say "Naruto", "Naruto: Kakashi Gaiden", and "Naruto: Hurricane Chronicles"? Those Exclusive to "Naruto" will say "Yes" while they say "No" for "Hurricane Chronicles" and "Kakashi Gaiden" and vice versa. Those that apply to all will say "Yes" to all. Those not introduced or unmentioned will Say "?". Fair? Oh, and one more thing. I don't wanna start nother arguement, but I agree that Someguy needs to get out of everyone's face. Sam being childish and unaccomplishing? Ever think that maybe he might be a child? I don't know and so don't you. Even if he isn't, it would still be true. Our brain tells us everything, childish or not. 65.100.147.48 19:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know what the hell you're talking about, the brain thing was a joke (gotta lighten the mode here you know). And I'm not "childish" nor am I a child I am 15 and I'm just so sick of the tension in my life trying to perfect all the time its like walking on eggshells all daylong, so when I get the chance I unleash the more, how you say, bad side of me, the carefree, good-for-nothing Sam ov the blue sand who isn't perfect and simply does not care about the world. Man you are so right you have no clue as to who I am or my plans in life or how I'm so despertly seeking rest from my "perfect self" and more of this side of me, if anyone gets what I'm saying please lets talk on my page.Sam ov the blue sand 23:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

15? I have files on floppy-disk older than you! :-P

As for .48's suggestion, the series split is not nearly on the level of something like the DB / DBZ split. Toriyama's move to Z represented a significant change in the narrative. For the first part of Naruto and Shippūden, I have witnessed no such change. There's be no practical reason to highlight any divisions at this moment in time. –Gunslinger47 05:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Gunslinger you never cease to make me feel better, although I did take offense to the whole child thing, you know I am more mature than I act here actualy I kinda act like Someguy when I'm not here, so if anyone wants me to act more mature just tell me on my talkpage, once I get enough requests I will be more mature here.Sam ov the blue sand 15:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

On Hurricane Chronicles's premiere date

I wanted to verify this here before posting it on the article, but the company making the card game for the new series has been reporting that the anime series will start airing on February 15th. [2] [3] The first one is to a site selling them and the second one is a picture from an advertisement. Both say that the anime will begin airing on 2/15. (Yes, it's definitely talking about the anime starting, not the card game, though it does mention the card game going on sale on the same day) So what do we make of this? Despite being from a card game company and a retail site, do you think this is reliable enough to put into the main article?

By the way, the full sentence on it is:

新シリーズNARUTO疾風伝！2/15から遂にテレビアニメ放映開始！
Shin shirīzu NARUTO Shippūden! 2/15 kara tsuini terebi anime hōei kaishi!
New series Naruto Hurricane Chronicles! The anime will finally begin airing on 2/15!

The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should wait until a better source comes up, personaly I don't trust card game makers.Sam ov the blue sand 03:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The official card game people are a reliable source. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I could argue about this but I won't I'm tired of arguing with you Someguy.Sam ov the blue sand 03:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It does seem legit. –Gunslinger47 07:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Tons of Naruto sites and official manga pages are stating that the fillers are ending in February and that the series is being renamed. I am too tired to pick through the sources now though.The great kawa 21:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is this so difficult for some people? The second half only is being renamed, mainly because it never was named to begin with. It was just called "Part II." The first half is still Naruto, the second half is Naruto: Hurricane Chronicles because (if you're all caught up) it deals a lot with wind. --Iriseyes 03:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You think we're stupid or something we read the same manga you do. I think most of us know this already The great kawa just made a mistake when he posted, so don't go around saying you know every thing about NHC because you know just as much as us.Sam ov the blue sand 04:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I posted that because this has become a topic of argument on every Naruto forum I'm a member of. Don't forget that most people haven't caught up with the manga, it's just us internet-savvy uber-fans. Please don't take offense. Or flame my discussion page. --Iriseyes 16:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

But most of us here at Wiki know this because we have an article, Naruto Hurricane Cronicles Plot, that is updated every week so we know as much as you and this is not a forum this is Wikipedia.Sam ov the blue sand 17:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You misunderstood Iriseyes. He wasn't trying to insult anyone, so don't be insulted. Please try not to be so belligerent. –Gunslinger47 23:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeh big, funny word what does it mean? Then what did she mean (by the way he's a she you should realy read user pages before putting he or she).Sam ov the blue sand 00:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ever hear of this thing called a dictionary? ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 00:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeh I could but it's downstairs could you make a link.Sam ov the blue sand 00:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary:belligerent. Danny Lilithborne 00:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude I was kidding I have a dictionary on my computer I just decide not to use it. Yo it's not just a word it's a way of life! No but what did Iriseyes mean?Sam ov the blue sand 00:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

All I can tell from your user page is that you're an angry Jewish fellow who owns a dog. It also says you like sarcasm, and if that's the case, you'll like this:

"You really ought to add {{User en-1}} to your user page if you have difficulty understanding English." :)

Now, while we're off looking up such advanced words as "belligerent", this is a also a good time to read Wikipedia:Civility, and then end this conversation entirely. –Gunslinger47 01:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

And Gunslinger busts out the firehoses. I guess it is getting a touch uncivil. My bad. --Iriseyes 05:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The end of the Naruto fillers has already been announced. It was posted in Shonen Jump and alsoi think it aired during the anime.(70.187.185.194 02:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

Chakra (naruto)

I'm putting it to vote...should there be a page specifically on chakra in the Naruto universe? Chakra (Naruto) a compilation page of collected information rather then scattered information across hundreds of pages on jutsus and episodes? Sign your self to a post either for or against the idea....I'm for it!!! photoguy 22:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Or better yet Vote on the Talk page For Chakra (Naruto) here_________ photodude 22:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What would be the purpose of a chakara page? Is there more to be said than what even casual readers of Naruto would not have already picked up? –Gunslinger47 00:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is more to be said then what a casual reader would pick up. what i propose is a guide to chakra in the naruto universe. what it is, how it's used, types, elements, training, gates, circulatory system, manipulation, affinities, creation of new elements, etc. rather then catching a piece here and there like you do in reading, a section that would hold everything. chakra in the naruto universe is as important as jutsus are. there will be spoilers for the anime geeks, as much of the profound information was explained in the last 20 or so manga chapters. photodude 04:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to get it. There is nothing else about chakra that isn't already quickly and succinctly stated on the jutsu page. Everything else you add is either made up or already mentioned there. Chakra is not something that requires pages of information to explain. It exists as a mix, it's channeled, it produces jutsu, it has types. There's nothing else. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

From what you described, I suggest creating a chakara subsection under jutsu (Naruto). I've read the article, and it seems like it could use an overview of how elemental chakara plays a part in many of the jutsu. Additionally, the basic steps of moulding chakara, forming a seal, and completing a jutsu are not overviewed. If, after creating a quality subsection, everyone feels that it warrants a fork then we can move on from there. –Gunslinger47 04:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sold on the necessity of a "chakra" article. Even with all the stuff revealed in the manga about it, there's really not much more to be said about chakra, other than it's the basic energy form for the series. Danny Lilithborne 05:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Jutsu (Naruto)#Chakra. That's about the extent of it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done. –Gunslinger47 05:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll address all of this. Someguy0830 your to simplistic in your thinking...which shows you only watch the anime or don't pay too much attention to detail. Danny to illustrate my point here is a link to research i have done. [chakra] sorry there are no references at the moment and there are several things that I have not included in the details and some of the new training for the past few manga chapters. photodude 05:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, it's a Japanese comic book. It's hardly worth insulting people over. Danny Lilithborne 05:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I mean no offence injury or insult...just stateing things as i see it photodude 05:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't read your doc, so I don't know what you've written, but what I've written is the extent of what chakra is. Contrary to your assertions, I've read every chapter and seen every episode. I happen to know that what I've written is the general expent of what the series has explained. If the doc you present is anything like the page you created, then nothing else needs to be said. However, if you feel I've missed something, then by all means add to the section I created. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just read his document. It's rather impressive in how comprehensive it is, being around eight pages in length with 23 pictures. I've spotted at least one inaccuracy, and a couple uncitable assumptions, but it is generally quite informative for the enthusiastic Naruto fan. I mean no offense by linking to this, but Wikipedia:Fancruft might be pertinent to the subject. –Gunslinger47 05:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not like the Stub you quote, and with your surprising and commendable verseage in naruto I'm surprised that you take the stance you do on the issue of the article. if you wish I'll make the .DOC document a PDF if that will make it easier for you to access. photodude 05:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If you wish. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[chakra PDF] it's a big file. photodude 05:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Having read that, let me explain why it's unnecessary. Your document, however well writen, is far too comprehensive for this place. Furthermore, most of it is fairly redundant or assumes far too much. I won't bother with the second person tone, as that can be easily fixed. For example, a ninja with no chakra does not collapse or die. They're certainly tired, but they don't collapse. Attempting to push that limit is what causes such problems. Your section about the gates is completely wrong. The hand seal guide, while fine, can be easily linked to instead of written out. Training in the use of chakra is unimportant at best, because it does little to explain the actual purpose of chakra. The chakra capacity thing is really just a limiter, and not actually related to chakra itself. There are other smaller things, but that's the jist of it. What is important to chakra can be said in two short paragraphs. Explaining how to use a ficitional energy serves no purpose in explaining what that energy is. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

to each their own...I leave it to the hands of the community to decide what's needed and write what they will. I still believe there is a point to writing the information both on what chakra is and how it is used in the naruto universe. This is an encyclopedia after all. (an encyclopedia is a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge or a particular branch of knowledge.)photodude 06:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Character Naming Scheme

Its a very trivial matter. But everytime i see it, it annoys me (and not just here, basically anywhere involving anime).

Why when things are translated to English and what-not, do characters names get reversed. The last name ALWAYS comes first!

Uzumaki Naruto is Naruto's full, proper name. So why change it round? Naruto Uzumaki just doesnt sound right at all, no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.204.251 (talk • contribs) .

See WP:MOS-JP. It's the convention decided upon. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do anime fans insist on being so daft? Surnames don't magically become first names - this is English, and in English given names come *first*, period. Danny Lilithborne 18:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Every so often yet another one of these pops up. You'd think people would have gotten the message by now. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Newbies never get the memo. i meet a guy who was mad about it and after 15 years of reading manga still had no idea... he was a Newbie at heart photodude 00:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Please look here Where this was decided.--70.48.173.147 03:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

While I understand the need for standard convention, and adhereing to to common understanding in the language that the articles are written in, I put forth my preference for the original Japanese standard and reasons for it. Currently, the majority of the Naruto cannon is availible to the global public only through translations. Those translations stick with the language of origin to maintain the integrity of the translation from one cultural context to another. So, while I know that many people will never be able to understand the reasons For "Uzumaki Naruto", (where Naruto is the given name and the other the family name) when they have always lived with "John Smith"; I still feel that Naruto is Uzumaki Naruto. Because, I can integrate the cultural context of Japanese naming conventions into my personal understanding while reading this manga. On a different note, is any one else kinda ticked that they name its "Hiro Nakamura", not "Nakamura Hiro" on Heroes? Xeago 03:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

That last example is exactly why we use Western order here. Furthermore, what you can comprehend is not an issue. What the readers can is. Readers are more likely to comprehend Western order than they are to comprehend the opposite. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

As I stated previously, I understand the need for it. I just don't like it. I think, though I know it won't happen, that it would be better for others to understand the simple differences, rather than cater to their ignorances. But, I'm not going to go around changing things just cause I don't like it. Xeago 04:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

HOLD THE PRESSES! According to "Names of modern figures" in the WP:MOS-JP, you should "Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world" as the third best frame of refrence as to how the english speaking world knows the person. In the english publication of the first volume of the manga, Naruto is refered to and addressed as "Uzumaki Naruto". This continues through out the volume. Therefore, following the naming conventions found in the WP:MOS-JP, all the names should be family name first, given name after. (because there are not trade names, and no dictionary entries for any of the characters. Unless you count their shinobi names as their trade names, in which case it should still be Family name Given name.)Xeago 04:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice try, but we've beaten down that argument, too. The manga is not the common or most recognizable form of the series, the anime is. The anime uses Western order, so we do to. Also, I can cite the JP guide, too.

For a modern figure (a person born from the first year of Meiji (1868) onward), always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western Alphabet, and Japanese Style family name+<space>+given name for Japanese Characters. For example:

Junichiro Koizumi (小泉純一郎 Koizumi Jun'ichirō, born January 8, 1942) is a Japanese politician…

See? Western order. No matter what point you may raise, User:NeoChaosX/Naruto names has every argument down. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If it tells us to do that, then why bother with the marcon guide lines at all? The english anime may be more popular, but the manga has the longer history and larger library. Should not the larger and older publication have be held up as proper? Why bother with updates from the new manga translations if they are years from the popular audience seeing them? The audience of this maganime is the reader, and they know appropriate naming conventions. Just like they know how the chakra system works. I would put forth that the names be Family Given, with a disclaimer to explain to new comers, who don't know chidori from rasengen, to be told that: in one of the many publications the names were switched, and that this is how the rest of the world knows Naruto. Xeago 04:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

We're not the rest of the world. We're the English Wikipedia. We work on the assumption that the readers will be English speakers. They will know the series by its English form, the most popular of which is the anime. "Which is oldest" won't work. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

yes i remember when it was decided but still it's quite weird. if it's their name originally, no one should change it.. sherlock holmes will be always known by that order not holmes sherlock, even in japan.. i guess this is the same thing as the eternal fight between the british system of units and the SI right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.155.74.224 (talk) 01:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

"We're not the rest of the world. We're the English Wikipedia. We work on the assumption that the readers will be English speakers. They will know the series by its English form, the most popular of which is the anime." - Someguy0830

Assumption??...Well most people that watch the American dub are probably little kids that don't even know what Wikipedia is. Most people that come on here for Naruto are most likely proper fans of the series who know it in it's true ORIGINAL form. You could even argue that a lot of anime/manga translations aren't really truely 'official'.

And the whole original thing IS an argument; especially if you include the unoriginal dubs horrid mispronounciations that don't even make sense why they're mispronounced in the first place.

Another thing is that it's amazing how Japan can accept Western names (Hellsing, Full Metal Alchemist), yet you are being ingorant towards their way of naming by going with the 'official' dubs.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurtle (talk • contribs) 14:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Character naming essay

In regards to the topic of Naruto character names, I've created a quick FAQ about the name order and Might Guy/Maito Gai issues over at User:NeoChaosX/Naruto names. It's in the early stages right now, but it should be a good place to refer to anons/new users who are... confused about why we use certain conventions for Naruto characters. I could use some input on how to improve this or what other issues to address in it. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 06:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe explain why it's spelt Hyuga/Hyūga and not Hyuuga? Same could be done about why it's spelt Jonin/Jōnin and not Jounin (which would also apply to Kankuro, Choji, and a couple other words.) ~Snapper T o 04:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Added that. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I completely forgot about that issue. Thanks for pointing that out Snapper, and thanks for adding it Someguy. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 06:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalsim

Im sick of Shadzar saying stuff like Naruto's So F**king werid or changing the English Broudcast Section with The shows rated TV-MA when Temari strips. This must stop and if we unlock the page agian he'll just come back.Themasterofwiki 18:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, the article has been semi-protected anyway (which keeps new accounts from editing the page), so he won't be disturbing this page for awhile. I'd keep my eyes out on the other Naruto pages, though, as another one of his sockpuppets vandalized Naruto Uzumaki before being blocked. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 18:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism is a fact of life on Wikipedia, however it can be reverted with little effort. In practice, it's less effort to revert than it is to vandalise in the first place. There's only so long that anyone can keep entertained by such meaningless activities… That is, assuming no amusing responses can be provoked out of the other editors. –Gunslinger47 23:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I was just thinking about the page being locked again. What real good will it do? When the page is locked, it's locked for a long period of time and becomes no use to us when we can't edit it. So what's really wrong with having it unlocked as long as we have people to come back, revert it, and ban the IP address of the offender?

In fact, why doesn't Wikipedia just go ahead and ban the MAC address of the offender (A MAC address is a address that is unique to each computer and cannot be changed)?--Benpercent 00:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, I believe it is fairly easy to spoof your MAC address. There's too many problems that could result. Nishkid 64 00:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Editing the page is only disabled to unregistered or newly registered users. While we cut off a large segment of potential contributors by semi-protecting the page (which is unfortunate), the majority of the primary contributors are still able to edit. –Gunslinger47 01:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

While that argument would normally be valid, very rarely do IPs ever contribute anything of value to this page. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I don't understand why Wikipedia shows the IPs of unregistered users anyhow. That is just asking for the ping of death and/or hackers.--Benpercent 02:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture

Should some one put a section about Naruto in popular culture, specificly the show X-play? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Being annoyed at endless sub-par Naruto game titles and overuse of the infamous -ttebayo translation is certainly not something unique to X-Play. As a viewer of both Naruto and X-Play, I don't feel it warrants mention here. –Gunslinger47 03:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Typo

Please replace "world,including" with "world, including". 76.185.92.143 01:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

No offense but couldn't 76.185.92.143 have done that himself? Wait never mind I forgot about the lock on IP address users and new users. That's why I find it pointless to block off a half (or more) of the wikipedians who aren't regestred (I spelled it wrong). Even though they could just create their own account, maybe they think it costs money that's what kept me from being a member for a year.Sam ov the blue sand 22:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Before I became familiar with Wikipedia, I'd often post to the talk pages rather than making edits myself. For some people, it's not easily to be bold. –Gunslinger47 00:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

hehe, for me, I only read the manga once and in a hurry, so I naturally assume the average regular Naruto editor knows about the anime and manga better than I do, so I post to the Talk page first. -Sphinxridd 21:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Bingo book?

Is there an entry someplace about Konaha's Bingo Book? It's a little fannish, but I would love to see an entry explaining what it is and identifying the characters who have been confirmed to be listed in the book . . . TheronJ 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

They don't make much mention of Konoha's version. Itachi's in there, and Kisame might be, but beyond that I'm not sure. Oh wait, Sasuke's in the most recent one, or at the very least Sai's version. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

36 volumes

there are 36 volumes. Im changing it. IamCool316 17:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

NarutoFan and others[4] say it's on sale December 27 2006. That's in the future. Their source is Shueisha. What's yours? –Gunslinger47 04:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

(Disruptive followup discussion removed. It can be viewed here. –Gunslinger47)

does theseries end at chapter 337?

No. Read the article again; it says "November 1999 - Ongoing". // Sasuke-kun27 04:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

wow othank god i had thought it was over *sweat* phew im glad its not.