Talk:Nancy S. Steinhardt

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Nancy S. Steinhardt completed her doctorate on medieval Chinese architecture before she was able to see any in person?

• Source: https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/nancy-s-steinhardt-curator-of-chinese-art-asian-section/ and Chinese Architecture: A History, 2019 (p. viii)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shane Rawley

Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 84 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC).

• Hook is solid and cited, article is new and long enough (it's close, but still good to go). No copyright or verifiability concerns. Good work! ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Think that’s appropriate here) this is a nitpick I want to point out with the hook and not really the article, but the line “before she was able to see any in person”, seems a bit off to me, as it doesn’t say what. I’d assume it makes more sense to say “see any patients in person” if that’s the intended meaning. I’m not familiar with the DYK process, I’d just thought I’d leave that here as I was looking through. Apologies if it’s out of place. —PixDeVl yell talk to me! 12:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Maybe "any in person" would be better? Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
    • @Generalissima:not sure if it’s customary to ping on T:TDYK, if not feel free to let me know Did you perhaps make a typo? any in person is the exact same as the current hook says, unless I’m mistaken. My comment is based in the word ‘any’ being confusingly vague in regards to who or what group it’s referring to(assumedly patients). —PixDeVl yell talk to me! 18:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
      • @PixDeVl: Oops, yes, "it in person". My bad lol Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
      • @PixDeVl: You're not out of place to disagree with me on approving this hook! Here, any means any Chinese architecture. I feel like this is a fairly clear meaning, but I did have to read the hook twice when I first reviewed it; maybe it would be more confusing to a reader only quickly glancing at it on the main page? Either way, the hook needn't precisely refer to the text but must accurately summarize a statement cited in the article. If you want to suggest a better phrasing, let me know! ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
        • Although it was clear to me, it appears that the confusion arises from PixDeVl misunderstanding "doctorate" to refer to a medical degree. Maybe replacing that with "PhD" would help? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
          • Partly the case. I understood doctorate but somehow miscomprehended architecture as a medical-related field, which is admittedly weirder. Not sure how I did that, but you may be correct that the word doctorate, in part, made my brain lean towards medicine. Regardless, that was fully a misread on my part as I mention below. If you folks think changing it to PhD would save some people from confusion though, I have no reason to oppose. --PixDeVl yell talk to me! 19:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
        • @Pbritti: Looking back, I see I somehow read medieval Chinese architecture as something related to medicine(whoops!), hence my mention of patients; that's a goof on my end. Understanding it correctly, the hook makes more sense now, and while I do believe that perhaps saying 'any buildings' or 'samples' may make it read better, I'm not going to oppose on that. I will note that reading through the source, I fail to see any line that explicitly says she never visited China and saw the architecture in person before gaining a PhD. The article states The imperial city of Dadu Yet, until it became possible for scholars to conduct research in China in the late 1970s, Steinhardt was unable to study the architecture firsthand. But she didn't get her doctorate in/before the 1970s, Steinhardt was awarded a Ph.D. in Fine Arts from Harvard in 1981. If anything, the following line of Since then, she has traveled from province to province and to all of China’s borders to study the architecture[...] (italics mine on both quotes) implies that she began traveling within the country soon-ish after, which to me almost certainly would be before 1981. It's possible I missed a line that said that in my reading(wouldn't be the first time), so feel free to correct me there if I did miss something. --PixDeVl yell talk to me! 19:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
          • @PixDeVl: Am I missing something? The follow seems to verify she first visited China in 1983: Leaving Bryn Mawr, Steinhardt became an assistant professor of East Asian art in 1983, replacing Schuyler Cammann upon his retirement. Previously closed to western academics, she was able to visit China for the first time that year. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Definitive evidence on the 1983 trip being her first is here: My first trip to China was in 1983. That was a general trip to major cities and just seeing major monuments. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Pbritti: In that case, I have no other objections assuming the site is a WP:RS. If the book(which I assume the quote from the previous comment is from) also says it, even better :p I was simply going off the info I have access to at hand. --PixDeVl yell talk to me! 20:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the additional pair of eyeballs, PixDeVl! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)