Talk:NGC 4567 and NGC 4568

Censorship and US-bias

This article is recently suffering from censorship ("formerly named" or completely deleting "Siamese Twins" from the article) due to a decision by a U.S. government body. This seems to indicate that NASA is the governing body for the entire world, when it isn't. Claiming it is a "fake name" is clearly wrong, since it is clearly used in the real world, and still used on the external links in this current article. (atleast at the time of this writing) The "formerly named as" would need to be documented to have fallen out of use, which clearly it isn't, as it was just deprecated by NASA this month (fallen out of use would take quite some time (years) to occur). NASA isn't the only authoritative astronomy organization in the U.S. either, so its decision is only binding on NASA. As Wikipedia isn't the NASA Wikipedia, we need not and should not doggedly follow the strictures of NASA.

Instead this should be addressed in the section on "Naming controversy", instead of censoring, or misleading people into thinking NASA controls the world. We should also cover what other authoritative bodies in astronomy think of the issue, not just saying that NASA is the be-all and end-all of all-things.

Just because some terms are offensive does not mean that they are not covered in Wikipedia, nor that they are not currently used in the world at large, even if central authorities wish it to be true. If wishes were horses...

-- 65.94.169.16 (talk) 05:24, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NED distance - is it significantly different

The article is currently using the NGC 4568 distance from NED [1], but that differs from the NED distance for NGC 4567 [2]. SIMBAD has a redshift for the pair of them [3]. Should it use the 4568 distance instead of the 4567 distance, or the one for the pair of them? -- 65.94.169.16 (talk) 06:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. You ref for NGC 4567 has Mpc ~22-23 (20% further away than NGC 4568 18.2 Mpc). What diameter would NGC 4567 be if it was at either of those distances ? What's the angular separation of the two galactic cores ? (Sadly the SIMBAD URL gives me "Internal Server Error") - Rod57 (talk) 13:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More on the evidence for interaction

eg. when was interaction first conjectured, and what types of evidence support interaction. Any models of what they look like from another angle, or how they are predicted to change in the future ? - Rod57 (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also called Compass?

Could it be that these two galaxies are also known as the Compass? I detected that (possible) nickname on NASA's Hubblesite, in an article about the supernova called SN 2020FQV, which appeared in NGC 4568 (the largest one of the two galaxies). DannyCaes (talk) 06:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery Removal

I noticed this page previously had a gallery section with two images which was removed. The removal reason referenced WP:IG, but after reading the guidelines there, I don't see a reason for the removal. This is a small page and adding images throughout is not possible. A gallery of two images also does not seem to be an overuse of images. Reviewing other articles for galaxies shows frequent use of images. Please let me know if there's something I'm missing, but I currently don't see the gallery that was here as conflicting with site guidelines. - Odin (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]