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Music of the United States is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.

This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 4, 2006.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 12, 2006	Peer review	Reviewed
March 4, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
April 2, 2006	Peer review	Reviewed
April 14, 2006	Featured article candidate	Promoted
January 21, 2008	Featured article review	Kept
July 27, 2019	Featured article review	Demoted
Current status: Former featured article

R&B and soul

Maria Careys Image added

In the article section the article reads.The use of melisma, a gospel tradition adapted by vocalists Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey would become a cornerstone of contemporary R&B singers beginning in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s.^[1] Hip hop came to influence contemporary R&B later in the 1980s, first through new jack swing and then in a related series of subgenres called hip hop soul and neo soul. Hip hop soul and neo soul developed later, in the 1990s. Typified by the work of Mary J. Blige and R. Kelly, the former is a mixture of contemporary R&B with hip hop beats, while the images and themes of gangsta rap may be present. The latter is a more experimental, edgier, and generally less mainstream combination of 1960s and 1970s-style soul vocals with some hip hop influence, and has earned some mainstream recognition through the work of D'Angelo, Erykah Badu, Alicia Keys, and Lauryn Hill.^[2] D'Angelo's critically acclaimed album Voodoo (2000) has been recognized by music writers as a masterpiece and the cornerstone of the neo soul genre.^[3]^[4]^[5]

Maria Careys name comes first in the section and in the article it is stated on the same section vocalists Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey would become a cornerstone of contemporary R&B singers beginning in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s.^[1] Alicia Keys is only mention in the end of the article and the source only mentions multiple awards as any singer has. Will Maria Carey specifically stated a singularity in her source, it being one of the most top sellers. This is way the image of Maria next to her name was added as the article seems to place it.2602:304:CFF8:5A30:F468:E0DD:655:A367 (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted your edits back to the status quo. Please refrain from removing any content until a clear consensus is established. And, please familiarize yourself with WP:3RR. -- ChamithN (talk) 09:17, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

More then 24-hours have elapse and no one has commented on the status quo at issue. Furthermore no edit was done after ChamithN pointed out WP:3RR, three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Lastly taking that no comment was made to try and reach agreement, discussed the validity in the first place of Alicia Keys photo being in the article section as her name only appears ones and in a collection of other names at that and why would Alicia be place before Maria Careys who the article talked about. Will change section to reflect the privies edit. 2602:304:CFF8:5A30:2955:AA6A:E72C:A524 (talk) 01:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference The New Blue Music was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ About.com: R&B – Neo-Soul: What Is Neo-Soul?. About.com. Retrieved on 2008-12-08.
^ Davis, Chris. "Leader of the Pack". The Memphis Flyer. Retrieved 2014-08-24.
^ Warp + Weft: D'Angelo:: Voodoo: Reveille Magazine Archived April 13, 2009, at the Wayback Machine
^ Lonnae O'Neal Parker; 700+ words. "Neo-Soul's Familiar Face; With 'Voodoo,' D'Angelo Aims to Reclaim His Place in a Movement He Got Rolling". Highbeam.com. Retrieved 2014-08-24.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

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FA worthiness?

I don't believe that this article, promoted way back in 2006, is in accordance with our current, stricter criteria for Featured Articles. The most glaring issue is the failure to meet 1.c - claims must be "supported by inline citations where appropriate." This article is severely undercited for a Featured Article, as there are entire paragraphs that drone on without providing a single citation. The entirety of the Diversity section has exactly 2 inline citations, to the same two-pages. There are also lots of citations without specific page numbers like Collins, Morales, Clarke, Werner, Guralnick, etc. Reference 94 is low quality, but I haven't checked the rest. It's also funny how the article states how "Prominent recent studies of American music include Charles Hamm's Music in the New World from 1983..." and proceeds to not use that source at all.

The article's length at some points is also problematic. The R&B subsection is three times the length of each of the previous subsections on blues, jazz and country. Rock, metal and punk come together in one section (why?), which made me realize that it's not entirely clear how the article is organized. How are the genres listed, is what I mean. Failure of 2.b?

The "Other niche styles and Latin American music" section has 3 unsourced paragraphs. The last paragraph is (was) solely about Tony Bennett's album Viva Duets. I removed it because it simply makes no sense to discuss a particular album in an article about the musical history of a country. This is only to show that copious amounts of information have been added to this article since its promotion, without anyone actively checking on the changes. There is also repetition of ideas, like how the reader has to be constantly reminded that the United States is a "melting pot" of cultures - 5 times, to be exact. There is also some POV language and unnecessary name-dropping of artists.

In short, this is an article that has not aged well and that currently does not meet FA requirements. RetiredDuke (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with these criticisms, and it's easy to see that many of these problems can be fixed if more editors contributed. Sadly, this article doesn't attract enough attention. —Partytemple (talk) 01:50, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also agreed. Gangly, sprawling. Lots of trees ... where's the forest? IMO one route is to focus the article focus more primarily on music *native to* or *strongly evolved* in the U.S. (as opposed to imported genres). Lots of good writing that I think could be 'boiled down to essentials' to reduce the length by half ... starting with a (negotiated) outline. The best-of-the-rest moved to Main articles. A sizeable editing task, but "doesn't attract enough attention" suggests there's hope - and motive. Twang (talk) 01:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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[The_New_Blue_Music-1] Cite error: The named reference The New Blue Music was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[2] About.com: R&B – Neo-Soul: What Is Neo-Soul?. About.com. Retrieved on 2008-12-08.

[3] Davis, Chris. "Leader of the Pack". The Memphis Flyer. Retrieved 2014-08-24.

[4] Warp + Weft: D'Angelo:: Voodoo: Reveille Magazine Archived April 13, 2009, at the Wayback Machine

[5] Lonnae O'Neal Parker; 700+ words. "Neo-Soul's Familiar Face; With 'Voodoo,' D'Angelo Aims to Reclaim His Place in a Movement He Got Rolling". Highbeam.com. Retrieved 2014-08-24.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

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