Talk:Murder of Simon Dale

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Did you know... that Simon Dale lived mainly in the kitchen and one bedroom of his 50-room Hopton Heath mansion, where he was found bludgeoned to death?

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Worth mentioning?

Sophie de Stempel is married to actor Ian Holm. violet/riga _^[talk] 00:19, 24 March 2018 (UTC) ~~:Was.~~--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind-he married two chicks named Sophie, what are the chances?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Holm (not only played the wretch Gollum in LOTR) he also played Riccio/Rizzio the (lover/handler?) of the Francophone Mary Qween of Scots (an bloody Guise raise by Medici) whom murdered diehard King/Lord Darnley (or haps the Satanic/NWOers had Darnley shipped to France as the Man in the Iron Mask). 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:2494:9DF:D3A0:CF5B (talk) 21:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Identity

Simon Dale appears to be, in full, Thomas Simon Savage Dale, son of T. Lawrence Dale, also an architect, with whom he went into practice.

From the page on T. Lawrence Dale "Dale's elder son Thomas Simon Savage Dale (known as Simon Dale) was born in 1919 and also became an architect. They practised together as Dale and Son." However, it is not explicit in the article cited; The Independent "The strange case of Baroness de Stempel: How the death of an eccentric architect revealed a web of murder, fraud and intrigue" Terry Kirby, (4 August 2007).

Other than on-line genealogy sites (not a RS) and wiki-mirrors, the only source I can find is a mention in Murder on File by Richard Whittington-Egan; Neil Wilson Publishing, (28 June 2011).

No Simon Dales appear among the births in 1919 on FreeBMD but a "Dale, Thomas S S" does.

Thomas Simon Savage Dale was commissioned in the Royal Engineers in 1941 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35328/supplement/6309/data.pdf

Can anyone identify a Reliable Source? Nedrutland (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Historical inexactitudes corrected

Although the cited source from "The Independent"'s news files describes William Wilbeforce as a "Victorian politician" and Heath House as a "Queen Anne mansion", both are historically incorrect. William Wilberforce, who ceased to sit in Parliament in the 1820s after serving as MP during the reigns of George III and IV, and died in 1833, four years before Victoria became Queen, is properly describable as a "Georgian" (era) politician. As Heath House had been built in 1620 during the reign of James I and Queen Anne did not become sovereign until 1702, it is proper to describe it as a "Jacobean mansion". I have therefore amended the descriptions, changing the relevant wikilinks.Cloptonson (talk) 17:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well done and about time. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:2494:9DF:D3A0:CF5B (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation problem

There are various news sources cited but I cannot find their 'original' set ups looking through the text in Edit mode. I would like to use particularly the one from the Independent in order to mention De Stempel's Docklow home in the article on Docklow and Hampton Wafer but all there seem to be are is this which signifies the citation is a duplicate. I give this example, deliberately inserting a space between each character to make the layout visible:

< r e f  n a m e = " I n d 0 7 " / >

An attempt to copy the citation into the Docklow and Hampton Wafer article resulted in an "invoked but not defined" message in red.

Cloptonson (talk) 18:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]