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[edit]Please do not copy and paste!
- The article was originally taken from the Library of Congress studies, which isn't copyrighted. So the information from there can be freely reproduced. --Yuje 00:48, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Page move to Islam in the Philippines
[edit]Yes, this page should be moved over there. "Moro people" should be redirected to "Bangsamoro". —Preceding unsigned comment added by System787 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Page move to Islam in the Philippines?
[edit]Isn't Islam in the Philippines a better title for this page? (It is in keeping with Religion in the Philippines and Hinduism in the Philippines Category:Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines.) --Idont Havaname 21:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC) (edit later by me - Hinduism in the Philippines was the text of a link at Religion in the Philippines to Hinduism in Southeast Asia#The Philippines. --Idont Havaname 21:06, 14 August 2005 (UTC))
- We have Chinese filipinos, Filipino Americans, etc. I think the original author would like to focus on ethnicity, cultural and demographics,Filipino muslim should stay as it is. But Islam in the Philippines is also a very good and needed article but the focus is different. Muslims feel they are different ethnically. The Islam in the Philippines should focus on the Islamic religion, how it spreads, history, etc..--Jondel 00:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I just discovered this article:Islam_in_Philippines--Jondel 06:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Section Title
[edit]The title Government incentive to migrate, land disputes, public schools as propagators of Christianity seems a bit verbose. Would a heading of Bureau of Non-Christian Tribes and the Moro be more accurate?L Hamm 05:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
A factual error
[edit]"Many of the inhabitants of the pre-Hispanic Philippines are said to be Muslims. Rajah Sulayman, a chieftain of Manila at the time of the Spanish conquest, and Lapu-Lapu, the well-known chieftain of Mactan Island, are a few examples."
While Sulayman was probably a Muslim, Lapu-lapu wasn't. He was a pagan/animist.
>> And where did you read this "fact"? The Tausug people consider him to have been a Muslim, whereas the Christian Cebuano population have no folklore or accounts to lend support otherwise, other than he was tattooed (despite being forbidden, some Muslim groups do have tattoos, including the Berber of North Africa, so the argument that he wasn't Muslim because of having tattoos is unfounded) and had a wife called Bulakna. The Philippine government also agree with this fact officially, as can be read on the historical plaque attached to the Lapu Lapu statue in Manila (Rizal Park), donated by the South Korean government.
http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2004/04/27/OPED200404278218.html http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/Modules/Modules/MuslimMindanao/historical_timeline_of_the_royal.htm http://www.articlearchives.com/humanities-social-science/history/693329-1.html http://www.royalsulu.com/about.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.221.175 (talk) 00:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
remove irrelavent
[edit]on see also section, i think i should remove bumiputra and malay, thats not relevent to the article.--60.52.31.118 18:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
changed the 25% of Philippine population to 5.25%
[edit]The total population of the Philippines nowadays was 95 million and the number of Moros was 5 million only, How could it become 25% of the total population??!?-- Twentius 22:35, 20 February 2008 (GMT+08:00)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.239.23 (talk) 14:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Seperated from mainstream society?
[edit]On the "Etymology" section of the article, an unverified claim is made about the Moro people seperating from "mainstream" Phillipine Society. While there are religious and political differences, does it really mean that they are seperate? In America, most people do not consider members of other religious groups as "seperating from mainstream society". Is it really politically correct to lable them as "seperate" from the mainstream, as this article does? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianc26 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Moro chess set
[edit]http://files.chess.com/images_users/tiny_mce/phishcake5/83209_philippines_set.jpg
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-chess-art-thread?page=9
19:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Filipino views of Moros
[edit]http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_12802-544-2-30.pdf
http://issuu.com/ryacat/docs/pidsdrn06-4
http://mussol22.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/studying-the-muslim-community-post-911/
http://www.stimson.org/images/uploads/research-pdfs/IslamPolitics-Chapter_2_Rasul.pdf
http://www.kas.de/wf/doc/kas_12802-544-2-30.pdf
No offense, but Moros are not FIlipinos. They're MUslim people who claims that Mindanao is their land, so no! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.252.17 (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
insurgency effects
[edit]http://www.arkibongbayan.org/2012/2012-07July13-basilan11th/basilan11th.htm
sources
[edit]http://nlpdl.nlp.gov.ph:9000/rpc/cat/finders/CC01/NLP00VM052mcd/v1/v46.pdf
http://www.everyculture.com/East-Southeast-Asia/Tausug.html
http://www.everyculture.com/East-Southeast-Asia/Tausug-Marriage-and-Family.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=wDbEAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://som.adzu.edu.ph/research/pdf/2008-06-25-135433casalin,s..pdf
http://www.slideshare.net/alainelouise/tausug-beliefs-and-practices
Chinese moro relations
[edit]http://moroinmyblood.blogspot.com/2010/08/sulu-china-connection.html?m=1
http://www.yuchengcomuseum.org/press-room/Beyond%20the%20Currents%20-%20The%20Power%20of%20Sulu.pdf
In an attack in the 1600s on jolo the spanish burned the chinese quarter
http://sovereignsulu.webs.com/Short%20History-Sulu%20Sultanate.pdf
Chinese wali songo
http://www.suludarulislam.org/p/sulu-history.html?m=1
Chinese treaties with sulu
http://alqalam.addu.edu.ph/sulu-treaties/
http://bangsamoro.blog.com/2007/04/16/the-moro-sultanates/
http://www.morobloggers.com/category/pre-sultanate-period/
http://www.rumahbicarasulu.com/sejarah.htm
http://www.royalpanji.net/the_chinese_community_in__sulu_sultanate.html
http://www.czipm.org/sulu-holandija-eng.html
The sulu zone
http://kyoto-seas.org/pdf/35/2/350201.pdf
http://historicalsulu.blogspot.com/2011/05/maharajah-upo-sultan-of-solot.html?m=1
Rajmaan (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
http://archive.org/stream/vascodagamahissu00jaynrich/vascodagamahissu00jaynrich_djvu.txt
Tausug team to visit China to renew ancient ties
Thursday, 23 June 2011 13:42
Loong said Chinese culture has been embedded in Tausug customs particularly in trade.
“As a proof to that, a long time ago Sulu has been populated by a Chinese minority, and they are the ones who introduced business into our area. We learned doing business through the Chinese. In Sulu, for example, a lot of the Chinese became rich,” he said.
He said descendants of Chinese migrants are still in Sulu citing the current governor of Sulu Abdusakur M. Tan, who has a Chinese bloodline.
“Even in barter trading, it is between Tausugs, Chinese, and Malaysians,” he said.
“There are only two types of foreigners who went to Sulu who did not wage war against the Moros – it is the Chinese and the Arabs,” Loong said, adding that “the Chinese entered Sulu through business ventures.” — Darwin Wally T. Wee/Peace Advocates Zamboanga
http://books.google.com/books?id=uChDbHq_MxoC&pg=PA237#v=onepage&q&f=false
Page 53
Pages 129 and 130
One of the Chinese families that have become prominent in Sulu affairs, especially political, is the Tan family of Jolo. The Tans of Jolo There are several families in the Sulu archipelago that carry the Tan surname although direct kinship ties... One of the younger generations, Abdusakur Tan, is the present congressman from the second district of Sulu. His uncle, Hadji Suug Tan, is the vice and acting Mayor of Jolo after the incapacitation of Mayor Murphy Sangkula. Rising to the top
Rajmaan (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=4USdYmCA_hQC&pg=PA65#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=uv6V4thjxdwC&pg=PA194#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=IWpYd_qYhc8C&pg=PA74#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=gJWpAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q&f=false
Prominent Moro people.
[edit]Samuel Tan is a Moro historian of Chinese descent
http://books.google.com/books?id=uChDbHq_MxoC&pg=PA237#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=pw5FWmdNmj8C&pg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false
Moro historian Cesar Adib Majul
THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE"' CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/ASJ-04-02-1966/majul-islam-history-filipino-people.pdf
Islam and Philippine Society The Writings of Cesar Adib Majul
http://www.upd.edu.ph/~updinfo/jan13/articles/New_Asian_Studies.pdf
Asian Studies 46:1-2 (2010) | Islam and Philippine Society: The ...
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/index.php/archive/159-asian-studies-46-1-2-2010
SOCIAL BACKGROUND OF REVOLUTION CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-09-01-1971/majul-social-background-revolution.pdf
THE RELEVANCE OF MABINI'S SOCIAL IDEAS TO OUR TIMES*
PRINCIPALES, /LUSTRA DOS, INTELLECTUALS AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF A FILIPINO NATIONAL COMMUNITY Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-15-1977/majul-ilustrados-principales-filipino-nation.pdf
THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-04-02-1966/majul-islam-history-filipino-people.pdf
SOME SOCIAL AND CULTURAL PROBLEMS OF THE MUSLIMS IN THE PHILIPPPINES by Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-14-1-1976/majul-social-cultural-problems-muslims.pdf
AN ANALYSIS OF THE GENEALOGY OF SULU, CESAR ADIB MAJUL
http://www.asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-17-1979/majul-genealogy-sulu.pdf
AN HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ON THE COMING AND SPREAD OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IN SOUTHEAST ASIA by Cesar Adib Majul
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/mediabox/archive/asj-35-1999/majul.pdf
Asian Studies 46:1-2 (2010) | Islam and Philippine Society: The ...
http://asj.upd.edu.ph/index.php/archive/159-asian-studies-46-1-2-2010
syllabi compilation - Mindanao State University, Iligan Institute of ...
http://www.msuiit.edu.ph/academics/colleges/cass/downloads/history/history_syllabi.pdf
RIZAL 150
http://www.univie.ac.at/ksa/apsis/aufi/rizal/RediscoveringRIZAL.pdf
Memories, Visions, and Scholarship, and Other Essays
http://books.google.com/books?id=qyo-Hti0-KAC&pg=PA69#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qyo-Hti0-KAC&pg=PA70#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 06:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Pictures
[edit]http://royalsultanate.weebly.com/
http://www.arscives.com/historysteel/images/philippino-moro-warriors.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/73056974_s320x240.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/moro_warrior.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/juromentada.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/1900%20Sulu%20Warriors.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/Moro%20Weapons%20PC%201913.jpg
http://www.seraphicpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/moro.jpg
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/1/Moros1.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/moro20weapons20pc201913.jpg
http://deadliestblogpage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/bud_bagsak450_1.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines_ethnic.html
Sultan Jamal ul-Kiram II
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202448.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/44627.jpg
Wives of the Sulu Sultan
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202406.jpg
http://www.pinterest.com/nitoyi/philippines-my-native-land/
http://i45.tinypic.com/k9r9g.jpg
Non Sulu related Moro photos
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/photography_and_power_02/dw02_essay04.html
dead Jurumentado
http://www.postcardman.net/s44633.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/44634.jpg
American soldier killed by Moros
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202419.jpg
Princess Radja Putri in Cottabato
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202471.jpg
Weaving Moro girl
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202427.jpg
Moro houses
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202435.jpg
Moros executed by Americans
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202453.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202452.jpg
Moro Dato Mominton, who killed 7 Americans
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202454.jpg
Moro constabulary
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202418.jpg
Dato Piang and Secretary Taft
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202405.jpg
Datu Piang
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0199n64c&chunk.id=d0e1317
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00006.jpg
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00005.jpg
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/data/13030/4c/ft0199n64c/figures/ft0199n64c_00007.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2628/1873/1600/971876/datu_piang_pics_(2).jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IpvcWKVmrLE/Ups-UVaTsoI/AAAAAAAABos/eYtPIcG8ojQ/s640/dato+piang.jpg
Dato Piang and Secretary Taft
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines/202405.jpg
http://www.postcardman.net/philippines_ethnic.html
Rajmaan (talk) 04:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Muslim is not an Ethnicity
[edit]Muslim by definition is an individual practicing the religion of ISLAM. The Muslim people in the Philippines are not indigenous. There are several races in the Philippines practicing the religion of Islam and they are Muslims. But not all of them are indigenous. Take the Chinese Muslims in Tawi-Tawi, the Indian Muslim in Zamboanga, or the caucasian Muslim in CDO; all three belong to different races and ethnicity.
Why is this article concluding that Muslims in the Philippines are specific indigenous people? Here is an article that talks about Ethnic religion.
Before the editor deletes my post, I suggest that some study be made on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.18.127 (talk • contribs)
- What is your point? People can have pan-religious identities as well. Most of the Moros are indigenous like the Tausug, Maranao, Samau, Maguindanaons and they call themselves by their ethnicity. In fact its the Spanish and Filipinos who first started lumping them together and calling them all Moros because they were Muslim. The Moros then adopted that term to identify themselves and unite during the American colonial period. Plus Filipino also does not refer to any specific ethnicity. A Filipino can be a mestizo with Spanish blood, a Tagalog, or any other Catholic Hispanicized ethnicity.Rajmaan (talk) 08:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- The title "Muslim is not an Ethnicity" is my point. You are diverting from the topic and discussing something altogether different to avoid the topic. ::But this is not the place for discussions such as this. This is not a forum. My apologies to the administrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.18.127 (talk) 07:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Requested move 5 July 2015
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
– Bangsamoro roughly means "Moro nation" or "Moro people, much like the First Nations, it is only WP:NATURAL used for ethnicity since it is the WP:COMMONNAME and the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose - regardless of the etymology of the term, today it is widely used as the name for the Bangsamoro (political entity). No evidence has been presented to support the claim that the Moro people is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term. A review of the top listings at [1] finds that nearly all hits use the term in reference to the political entity or the Bangsamoro Basic Law which created it. I only saw a single article which used the term in reference to the people. (I only looked at the first use of the term in each article.) TDL (talk) 23:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose and Speedy Close. I don't know how you can turn a political aspiration as what Bangsamoro stands for ("Bangsa Moro" is literally "Moro Country") to an article on the people who self-identify as simply "Moro". Bangsamoro is like Basque Country where as Moro people are like Basque people.--RioHondo (talk) 02:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment It's more like First Nations and the Navajo Nation in North America.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 12:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Well the Navajo articles are consistent with the current titling of the Moro articles: Navajo Nation = Bangsamoro and Navajo people = Moro people. TDL (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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