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On 13 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mormon (Book of Mormon prophet) to Mormon (prophet). The result of the discussion was moved.

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I've deleted the parenthetical Arabic form of the name. See Talk:Linguistics and the Book of Mormon for my reasons. Pterodactyler 15:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested in adding or seeing some writing on the name Mormon. It distinguishes itself from many other Book of Mormon names in the way it traces its trail backward from a name for people to the name of a place. The place name is described in very specific terms, which are rather interesting -- borders once infested the wild beasts (Mos 18:4). This passage suggests the name's etymology is most likely linked to that description. However, Mormon the narrator chooses to emphasize the transformation of "borders of the wild beasts" into the place of a mass conversion. In a parallel structure, he chooses to emphasize his relationship to Ammoron over his relationship to his eponymous wild father. Then there was JS's jesting pun on the word Mormon ("more good") when he was answering critics who hoped some dark significance lurked under the surface. Any thoughts? Jerekson 05:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have included a paragraph about Mormon as a narrator. This is an area of interest in research on the Book of Mormon, including a recent issue of Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, and past articles published at FARMS. Mormon's role as narrator is also an aspect of the Book of Mormon that exists regardless of one's belief about the book's historicity or Joseph Smith's claims about translation. It thus seems like an important piece of information to make accessible to researchers who are just beginning to look at Mormon. --Jerekson (talk) 20:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

"He was a prophet-historian and a member of a tribe of indigenous Americans known as the Nephites." - As far as I can see he is a fictional character of an American religious quack. It is not the mission of wikipedia to endorse faith but facts. Please consider to reword it so the phrase becomes NPOV. Arebenti (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a lineage that can be referred to?

Around 300 AD, what kind of a name was "Mormon" back then? Was it a family name, personal name, or last name? Is there a gens or tribus that it can be associated with?

This is a fair question. It has been said that Mormon was the name of a land &/or body of water, & that the person Mormon was named after that land. How the name of the land had a prefix apparently based on an English word is unclear: The May 15, 1843, issue of the official Latter Day Saint periodical Times and Seasons contains an article attributed to Joseph Smith deriving the etymology of the name Mormon from English "more" + Egyptian mon, "good", and explaining the meaning as follows:

Let the language of that book speak for itself. On the 523d page, of the fourth edition, it reads: And now behold we have written this record according to our knowledge in the characters which are called among us the Reformed Egyptian ... none other people knoweth our language; therefore [God] hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof." ... We say from the Saxon, good; the Dane, god; the Goth, goda; the German, gut; the Dutch, goed; the Latin, bonus; the Greek, kalos; the Hebrew, tob; and the Egyptian, mon. Hence, with the addition of more, or the contraction, mor, we have the word MOR-MON; which means, literally, more good.^[1]

--Wikchard (talk) 02:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Correspondence", Times and Seasons (Nauvoo, Illinois), vol. 4, no. 13, p. 194] (May 15, 1843); quoted in Joseph Smith (Joseph Fielding Smith ed., 1938) Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book) pp. 299–300.

Or, if there really is a historical basis to this name, what other individuals used it for identifying themselves? 198.177.27.23 07:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

everyone forgot to mention that anyone who believes in this shit is batshit crazy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.222.203 (talk) 03:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Batshit crazy is a totally subjective term that may be considered offensive to some. What I find odd is that there is no mention in this article of the fact that this is all fiction, with no basis whatsoever in verifiable history. But I suppose that is because mormons know how to edit wikipedia. Man It's So Loud In Here (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All religion is fictional based upon your standard. Wikipedia is not about proclaiming facts, we report on what experts perceive are facts in their given fields. That is why when we report on Southern Baptists, we talk about their perspective of relgion, just as we would with any other religion or even atheism. They have no factual basis for their position other then they just can't see "it". It is interesting when you start measuring your own position by the same standard you seek to measure others. --Storm Rider ^(talk) 17:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

let`s consider that there is no confirmed valid source to verify the assertions in this article, until someone can give weight to the beliefs asserted therein. Currently nobody has given any credence to the facts in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.139.49 (talk) 08:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Mormon (prophet). If someone wants the other pages in Category:Book of Mormon prophets to be moved as well, a multi move RM can be opened on one of their talk pages. (non-admin closure) cyberdog958^Talk 14:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mormon (Book of Mormon prophet) → Mormon (prophet) – Unnecessary disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This goes for others in Category:Book of Mormon prophets as well. 162 etc. (talk) 06:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not all of them - Jacob (Book of Mormon prophet) needs the extra disambiguation from Jacob who could also be called a prophet. And Enos (Book of Mormon prophet) might need the extra term as disambiguation from Enos (biblical figure). Definitely unneeded for the others, though, so support. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:15, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That category only has 22 pages. Not all of them are going to move. Any page that is included in this goes for others in ... should be added to this RM to allow anyone watching those pages to see this. Gonnym (talk) 16:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move/rename, as Pppery noted that while there are figures for whom this level of disambiguation makes sense Mormon isn't one of them. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mormon (Book of Mormon prophet) → Mormon (prophet) but Oppose automatically including all those from Category:Book of Mormon prophets. It's not a case of one size fits all. Andrewa (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] "Correspondence", Times and Seasons (Nauvoo, Illinois), vol. 4, no. 13, p. 194] (May 15, 1843); quoted in Joseph Smith (Joseph Fielding Smith ed., 1938) Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book) pp. 299–300.

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