Talk:Mercedes Jones

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Religion

I have removed the religion field, because it is unsourced and debated. It has not been stated in the show and black churches can be different denominations. Any inputs? Yves (talk) 00:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although her church had many elements of being a "black church" such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church, etc.. There were non-black people at her church, and a "black church", as you said, is not a denomination. We do know for a fact, however, that the character is Christian, so I put that in the religion field. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before anyone decides to remove the information on her religion, I think a discussion should take place here. I, personally, think that her religion should be included since religion is on other character's pages (Finn, Kurt, Puck, Quinn, Rachel, Sue.. ) --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I would like to remind you to please not edit things without discussing on the talk page. I think the opposite; why should the religion be here if it's not confirmed? I will remove it; please do not re-add it until we get consensus here. It is not known for a fact she is Christian; how do you know that? Yves (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the show she attended "church", (her church also had an cross in it and stained glass of Jesus and Saints if you look carefully) and liked Finn's idea of making a week of glee club pay tribute to Jesus Christ, all seen in the episode "Grilled Cheesus". --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:31, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still WP:OR and I don't want to go there. What is known is that her religion is not the same as Quinn's. Yves (talk) 01:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree not listing it, WP:OR CTJF83 chat 18:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the show shows Quinn is catholic (blessed virgin mary figurine and rosary in her house, etc (see her talk page).. so i would think Mercedez is African Methodist Episcopal or something along those lines.. we DO know from the show she is Christian though. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But Quinn is Christian (see reference on her page). Yves (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a Catholic to be exact (watch the episodes, especially "Never Been Kissed (Glee)". And Mercedez never says she's a different religion than Quinn. She says Rachel (as Rachel is Jewish). She says "religions and denominations" denomination meaning Two people there are Christian (obviously, her and Quinn). --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The wording is ambiguous and it is not for us to interpret episodes. Yves (talk) 01:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is obvious in watching the episodes. Mercedez says she'd love to give thanks to Jesus, she goes to church [Christian]. Quinn has statues of the Blessed Virgin Mary holding a ROSARY (used only by roman catholics) in her house. A painting of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (catholic devotion) in her bedroom, creates a game at celibacy club called the Immaculate Conception (Marian dogma on original sin). ALL CATHOLIC. And Mercedez, as a different DENOMINATION, not religion, is a Protestant Christian --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:33, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But as was said at Talk:Quinn Fabray#Religion, anything that requires us to interpret it ourselves constitutes original research. Kurt wears a leather bondage harness in one episode so I could assume that he practices BDSM, but I won't because the threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia is verifiability, requiring reliable sources, not assumptions made by editors. Frickative 01:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In that case we should remove "Christian" from Finn Hudson's religion, since I dont think there are any reliable sources stating that worshipping a grilled cheese sandwitch with Jesus on it makes you Christian. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His page doesn't have a religion...? Yves (talk) 00:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It did for quite some time, glad to see it's been removed. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quinn is catholic and a christian, because all catholics are christian but not all christians are catholic. Mercedes is a christian! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antithesis hero (talk • contribs) 11:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mercedes and Sam: significant or not?

There was a consensus this past summer that one scene of handholding in "New York" did not a significant other pairing make, and what Mercedes said to Jacob in "The Purple Piano Project" seemed to confirm this: she just said they "dated".

Since Sam returned, it seems less clear how serious their relationship got before Sam moved out of state, and I wanted to see what the consensus was now.

My view is that they are not currently significant and we don't have enough evidence that they were over the summer, or even how long they were together before he moved: only if Mercedes breaks up with Shane and gets back together with Sam would it be significant. What does everyone else think? BlueMoonset (talk) 13:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Given the fact that in Heart Mercedes told Sam that she loved him, broke his and Shane's hearts (as well as her own) by pulling the whole thing into the open so that she could figure out what she wants to do, I'd say she and Sam are significant to each other. anang310 —Preceding undated comment added 18:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]

The question is are they in a significant relationship, not merely significant. Since Mercedes was with Shane, and when she broke up with him refused to date Sam and is staying single for a while, I don't think their relationship is at that point yet. It could get there, but not yet. Hence, I am reverting your edit until there is consensus that they are in a significant relationship. (These decisions can take a while here on Wikipedia: it was late April last year before Kurt and Blaine were listed as significant others.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She broke up with Shane. At the VERY least, she should be listed as single, although I think after Saturday Night Glee-ver it's clear her and Sam are dating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.7.110 (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox deals with the entire run of the show, so each significant relationship is listed. Finn's page should list Rachel and Quinn; Rachel's should be Finn and Jesse, etc. The same also applies to spouses, by the way: if/when Will and Emma marry, both Terri and Emma will be listed as his spouses. The rest of the article explains the details. Mercedes was in a sigifnicant relation with Shane for several months; Shane may not have appeared much on the show, but when he did he was mostly with her, and she made it clear to Sam when he reappeared in the eighth episode that she was in a relationship with Shane. As for "Saturday Night Glee-ver", Sam himself says "even though I can't be with you", meaning they aren't dating. The kiss at the end of the scene... well, the relationship might start up again from that, but it might not, and we need more on-screen evidence before we can say that it has. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sam never said "even though I can't be with you" - he never even said anything CLOSE to that that could be misconstrued, lol. He said "I know we haven't talked in awhile". The world is seriously upside down that made up stuff is taken as fact here but common sense has to be argued out the wazoo to be on this page. My goodness. I'm done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.231.201 (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me, but you're taking the 'significant' part of the common phrase 'significant other' very far in your qualifications. I think we all know it merely refers to whoever a person is dating, not a serious relationship. Also, if you're going to use 'significant' as a standard...who defines what significant means? Exchanging "I Love You"s? Because that never happened with Mercedes and Shane, yet he's listed. Dating for longer than a certain amount of time? Please be more clear. Because this feels a bit absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.130.7.110 (talk) 15:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't think that I am. While it's harder with people in high school—the terms are more defined for adults—it is still a serious, committed relationship, one that has a certain depth to it and lasted a significant period of time. We just don't know that about Sam and Mercedes, because the first over-the-summer section appeared off-screen, and Mercedes says it was "a fling" when Sam returns, even if he says otherwise. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I truly do not understand what more you need to put Significant Other in their page. Clearly they confirmed their relationship has been ongoing in Prom-a-saurus. What exactly do you think needs to be said at this point. It seems incredibly nit picky and unfair to fans of that relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.63.124.5 (talk) 03:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sam and Mercedes are official, I have with me two of more articles I can find about Sam and Mercedes reuniting during Saturday Night Gleever. He is dancing with her at prom in the episode promasuarus and states "Yeah, remember how I told you we're gonna get back together and you told me I was crazy - crayzee". He reminds her about the time he said he was going to get her back. They go to prom together. The story is done, Sam fought to get her back and he does. Holly wood reporter article about how they reunite: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/glee-recap-saturday-night-glee-ver-313195 Hollywood life talked about them in Saturday Night Gleever: http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2012/04/17/glee-recap-season-3-episode-16-sam-mercedes-kiss/ Rollingstones metions their dance in prom: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/glee-recap-youre-insecure-dont-know-what-for-20120509 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riga180 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 12 May 2012 (UTC) From the prom episode it is obvious that Sam and Mercedes are back together and are each others significant others and very happy together. they spent the night smiling and dancing together and Sam even said remember when I told you we were gonna get back together and you told me I was crazy, meaning that they did get back together otherwise why would he have even said that. antithesis_hero — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antithesis hero (talk • contribs) 11:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC) I think it is clear after the prom episode that Sam and Mercedes are now back together and in a relationship. It was particularly notable during one scene at prom, when Sam and Mercedes are dancing and look over and wave at Shane, Mercedes' ex-boyfriend. Shane is happily dancing with his date at prom and, without any anger, waves back. Sam pulls Mercedes closer and says to her "Everyone's happy," indicating that even the earlier barrier to resuming their relationship, Shane, is now gone. The have clearly gotten back together and are in a romantic relationship. <13:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)Lila3900 (talk)[reply]

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