Talk:Mediterranean Basin

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This needs to be much better integrated with Mediterranean Sea. Or vice versa. --Joy [shallot] 15:33, 17 August 2005 (UTC) hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.79.183.80 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Olive trees?

A basin is an hydrographic/orographic entity, not based on the flora. What is the point of including most of Portugal (Atlantic shore), but not Egypt? I also think that, perhaps in California are some olive trees. Is that part also of the Mediterranean Basin?.

This article needs a deep clean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.23.136 (talk) 10:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

New data source

Moved from article:

An open-source database (named WDB-Paleo) of marine sediment cores from the Mediterranean Basin has been published as a tool for past climatic and environmental studies. The database contains four main categories of data: (1) details from oceanographic cruises and cores, (2) paleoclimatic proxies derived from 200 scientific publications, (3) results of quantitative analyses of planktonic and benthonic organisms, and (4) quantitative data of δ¹⁸O, ¹⁴C and tephra layers.

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List of countries in mediterranean basin

israel has been excluded from the list of countries in the mediterranean basin. Can you re-instate? 2A02:C7C:52B4:8B00:A591:98F4:3366:F08A (talk) 10:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 November 2024

Mediterranean Basin → Mediterranean basin – According to the MOS:CAPS guideline "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia". When we look at an ngram however - [1] - which analyses book usage of this term, we see that far from it being consistently capitalized, in fact a large majority of sources render it in sentence case. I had initially moved this as uncontroversial in August, but it's now been reverted by User:Vic Park with the rationale of "Proper grammar" so I'm now requesting it formally. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Although the Mediterranean Basin defines a geographical land area and not a drainage basin, the lowercasers may get this one solely because of n-grams, but would like to point out that 'Basin' is cased in n-grams in some other areas (i.e. Congo Basin, the Nile Basin, and the Great Basin - where there is over 2/3rds agreement on the proper names) and lowercased in some (Amazon basin, which isn't as familiar of a name). Why not just leave major geographical and geological names exist on Wikipedia as proper names? The recent major move of the Earth's tectonic plates to lowercase (i.e. North American Plate) is a prime example of Wikipedia openly calling an accepted proper name not a proper name, and that one will be up for review after further discussion with the closer. Anyway, even Mediterranean Basin has been perfectly acceptable as a proper name on Wikipedia since 2005, regardless of rules and regs, although it does fall under the percentage threshold. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Geographical features are proper names. For proper names, we need to capitalise the first letter of every word. Here are some examples: Tibetan Plateau, Arabian Peninsula, Deccan Plateau, Malay Archipelago, Kalahari Desert, Mexican Plateau, and Australian Shield etc.

As for the book usage of this term, it can be used as a reference, but that doesn't mean every word they have written is grammatically perfect. Some of the authors or editors aren't native English speakers themselves. If you compare 200 books, 60% of them might use Mediterranean basin, but that doesn't mean they are grammatically correct.

By the way, I noticed that most articles in Wikipedia use "Mediterranean Basin" instead of "Mediterranean basin".

Link: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?search=Mediterranean+basin&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1 Vic Park (talk) 13:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Have notified the interested WikiProjects. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Guidelines suggest lowercase for this. There's no basis in fact, in guidelines, or in sources, for Vic's assertion that "Geographical features are proper names". Many are not. Dicklyon (talk) 00:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Well, if they are not proper names, what are they? They are definitely not common nouns.

  According to the Australian Government Style Manual (the standard for Australian Government writing and editing), the full names of all topographic and geographic terms (mountains, rivers, valleys, bays, islands and other features) always take initial capitals.

  Link: https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/grammar-punctuation-and-conventions/names-and-terms/topographic-terms Vic Park (talk) 01:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  The "other features" there might include everything with "region", "basin", "area", etc., appended, in Australia gov style; or might not. Britannica doesn't see it that way. And we have our own manual of style, and basis certainly is a common noun. Have you looked at MOS:CAPS? Dicklyon (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Dicklyon, your Britannica link includes "Also known as: Mediterranean Basin", uppercased. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes it does, but they also show how they use it in a sentence, which is what matters here: "...the oil produced in the Mediterranean basin is consumed there..." Dicklyon (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)