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Title change

For May 2017 Kabul Bombing Good idea?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FoulFix (talk • contribs) 20:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The title should be changed.StrikeDog (talk) 21:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait a bit. The event may get a local name in Afghanistan, and we could use that. Ethanbas ^(talk) 21:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How big was the crater?

In the lead it says crater 4.5 m wide and 3-4 m deep, then in the "Attack" section, it says the crater was 9 m deep; quite a difference. Both are sourced to different news articles, I don't know if one source is considered more reliable than the other. I don't have an answer as to what we should do, I just wanted to point out the contradiction, we need to look at it. Carlwev 19:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship

I added the below well-sourced and very important information to the "Background" section in this article.

On 30 May 2017, Haji Mohammad Farid, former secretary and close relative of warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, was assassinated in Peshawar, Pakistan, by unknown gunmen.^[1]^[2] The Taliban denied involvement in the assassination.^[3] Hekmatyar and his followers are said to be supported by Iran's Quds Force,^[4] all of whom are against the presence of foreigners in Afghanistan.^[5] Some analysts believe that Hekmatyar's return to Kabul is a sign of the start of another civil war in Afghanistan.^[6]

User:Mar4d and User:Ethanbas completely removed the above well-sourced and very important information, claiming it is not related to this article. How can we be sure this is not related? So far, nobody claimed responsibility and nobody has a clue who may have been behind it. Most Wikipedia readers have no idea about what has happened this month in Afghanistan (i.e., the return of warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar to Kabul). Some are happy while many are against his return. His very close aid and relative was assassinated in Peshewar and the next day this major bomb blast occurred in Kabul. Political assassination of an important figure is often the work of intelligence agents.--Tummywink (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <--- blocked sockpuppet of LTA Lagoo sab[reply]

Already left a comment on your talk. You have not provided a single reference to support the claim that this incident is linked to Hekmatyar. There are hundreds of reliable sources which should be able to report this connection, if it is true. Yet you have not shown any. Which part of this is difficult to understand? Verifiability can't be compromised. Mar4d (talk) 17:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say Hekmatyar or his followers did this. I merely expanded the "Background" section a little so that Wikipedia readers get to understand what has just happened in Kabul in May 2017 (i.e., warlord Hekmatyar's return and the assassination of his very close man). You removed all of this, claiming it is not related to this latest bomb blast. How do you know it is not related? If such important background information is to be removed then what's the purpose of this article? It's like reading one of the 100s of online news reports--Tummywink (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <--- blocked sockpuppet of LTA Lagoo sab[reply]

The problem is that you haven't cited any news articles that made this connection, which is what you need to do. If you can find articles that do, then I'm happy to re-add the background stuff you wrote up. Ethanbas ^(talk) 18:20, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have much better things to do than to fight with unimportant online bullies. I didn't make any connection but simply expanded the "Background" section to include major events of May 2017, it only had events of April 2017. Whether my edits are re-added or not means nothing to me.--Tummywink (talk) 19:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC) <--- blocked sockpuppet of LTA Lagoo sab[reply]

References

^ https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-05-30/gunmen-kill-aide-of-afghan-insurgent-hekmatyar-who-made-peace-with-kabul
^ "Gunmen kill aide of Afghan insurgent Hekmatyar, who made peace with Kabul". euronews. 30 May 2017.
^ "Close Aide To Hekmatyar Assassinated In Pakistan - TOLOnews".
^ Khwaja Basir Ahmad, ed. (7 May 2012). "Alleged spies say Iran's Revolutionary Guards trained them". Pahjwok Afghan News. Archived from the original on 2 June 2017. Retrieved 2 June 2017. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 2013-12-03 suggested (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ "Afghan warlord Hekmatyar returns to Kabul after peace deal". 4 May 2017 – via www.bbc.com.
^ Mashal, Mujib; Sukhanyar, Jawad (26 April 2017). "Protests, Taliban and a Warlord's Return: Afghan Leader Faces a Tough Year Ahead" – via NYTimes.com.

Requested move 8 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 09:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May 2017 Kabul attack → May 2017 Kabul bombing – It's more precise & usual to have bombing in the title rather than attack when that's the sole method used. Jim Michael (talk) 09:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] ttps://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-05-30/gunmen-kill-aide-of-afghan-insurgent-hekmatyar-who-made-peace-with-kabul

[2] "Gunmen kill aide of Afghan insurgent Hekmatyar, who made peace with Kabul". euronews. 30 May 2017.

[3] "Close Aide To Hekmatyar Assassinated In Pakistan - TOLOnews".

[4] Khwaja Basir Ahmad, ed. (7 May 2012). "Alleged spies say Iran's Revolutionary Guards trained them". Pahjwok Afghan News. Archived from the original on 2 June 2017. Retrieved 2 June 2017. {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 2013-12-03 suggested (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[5] "Afghan warlord Hekmatyar returns to Kabul after peace deal". 4 May 2017 – via www.bbc.com.

[6] Mashal, Mujib; Sukhanyar, Jawad (26 April 2017). "Protests, Taliban and a Warlord's Return: Afghan Leader Faces a Tough Year Ahead" – via NYTimes.com.

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