Talk:Maukhari dynasty

The name of dynasty mentioned in the infobox map.

@Sajaypal007: The Gurjara dynasty mentioned in the infobox map (around present-day Rajasthan-Gujarat), redirects to a page Gurjaradesa which doesn't mention any ruling dynasty of any such name, apart from Pratiharas. When I added that and even Chapa dynasty (from the linked article) on the map @पाटलिपुत्र: removed it citing they were later ones. And, when I again asked about the specifics of Gurjara dynasty ruling at that period of time, I didn't get any conclusive response. So, I want you to look into this, as this appears arbitrary to me. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 17:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

The Gurjara-Pratiharas only started around 730 CE, so they cannot be mentioned in maps before that date, hence the reverts. Before 730 CE, the Gurjaradesa article explains that "A Gurjara kingdom was founded by Harichandra Rohilladhi at Mandore (Mandavyapura) in about 600 CE.". Hence the redirect from Gurjara in the map to the Gurjaradesa article, which covers the subject of the early Gurjaras. Of course, ideally, it would be better to have an article on the Gurjaras in the 7th century, to which the maps could be linked, but as long as we don't have that, linking to Gurjaradesa seems like the logical choice. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 18:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

पाटलिपुत्र the dynasty you are talking about has a dedicated wiki page i.e. Pratiharas of Mandavyapura, but they are rarely called Gurjaras because of their territory. It can also get confused because one definitely known Gurjara dynasty is Gurjaras of Lata. Also in mobile phone i cant access the source map site, does it mention Gurjaras if not then simply Pratiharas of Mandore can be written, same as the wiki page name. Gurjaradesa can work too but I think when all others linked to dynasty articles, why this one should be linked to a region's article. Sajaypal007 (talk) 03:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sajaypal007: I really appreciate your response. I was exactly talking of the name of 'the' dynasty (which you've rightly mentioned, Pratiharas of Mandavyapura) not 'an' obscure dynasty. And, as it is mentioned in the page of Pratiharas of Mandavyapura, Harichandra Rohilladhi founded the kingdom at Mandavyapura around 600 C.E., I think we have got the correct name. I'm adding it on the page, along with those of other dynasties at that point of time. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 11:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Iamritwikaryan please see WP:INDENT and about the name, you shouldn't change it to Pratihara until पाटलिपुत्र clarifies about the name. I still don't follow, the source of the map has only map of Maukhari and it doesn't show what was its neighbours at that time. @पाटलिपुत्र: What is the source for contemporary powers in south asia at the time of this extent of Maukhari kingdom, so we can better decide what should be the name here. Sajaypal007 (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sajaypal007: For the sources, please check [1] and [2]. Pratiharas indeed seems acceptable for the period 550-700 CE, although "Gurjara" is mentioned concurently as a "Kshatriya Kingdom" next to them, so it's a bit ambiguous except if we can take it as "the Pratihara dynasty of the Gurjara kingdom"... thoughts? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

In second source, both Gurjara and Pratiharas are mentioned separately, in my opinion, if we only want to mention dynasty then, we should name it Pratiharas or may be Pratiharas of Gurjara kingdom as you suggested, but mentioning only Gurjara will be lead to confusion because of namesake dynasty, Gurjaras of Lata. Sajaypal007 (talk) 17:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sajaypal007: Yes, it seems going with Pratiharas only is OK. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 17:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it will work too. Sajaypal007 (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)