Talk:Mata (album)

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Date	Process	Result
March 17, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
April 1, 2023	Featured topic candidate	Promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 10, 2023.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that M.I.A. originally wanted to name her newest album after her son but instead named it Mata?

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"Stylised as MATA"?

Why do we need to note in the lead that the title is shown in capitals? There are literally thousands of albums where the title is shown in capitals on the cover (eg Born in the U.S.A., The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, Please Please Me, etc etc) but I can't see any reason why we need to specify this in the article's lead....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't and shouldn't, but unfortunately so many editors have become accustomed to seeing this in the leads of articles after it became commonplace on 2010s pop song articles (especially in the wake of Ariana Grande's all-lowercase aesthetic and pop singers who copied that). To be honest, it's trivial and never consistent in sources talking about an album or song. Unless it's a title with symbols intended to mean something that may not be immediately obvious, I find stylisation notes disrupt the flow of prose at the start and very unnecessary. In this case I fully believe readers can tell Mata and MATA are the same thing. Ss112 09:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just happened to pass by about a month later, but I thought I'd toss an opinion in. I think writing it out in full for the lead is unnecessary for all the reasons listed above, but I think a separate footnote would help in cases like this. It's much less disruptive in my opinion. As for Chris' examples, I see where you're coming from and the argument does make sense. But I think it's up to the artists for how their music is rendered on digital platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, etc., right? That's usually the standard I like to go by. If they wrote it a certain way - all caps, all lower, etc. - that was probably intentional and how they want the music recognized (whether that actually happens in other sources is a varying story). Of course, any other substantial use of special stylization by sources works too. Not saying we should literally set it the way it's written for every article, but like I said at the beginning, a small footnote denoting the casing or other stylization is the route I'd take and the one I wish more people would. dannymusiceditor ^oops 15:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyMusicEditor: that's probably a valid point about digital services, I didn't think of that as I never use them. In other news, I live in a cave :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 08:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
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b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
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d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
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b. (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
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The article is close to promotion but I have one comment: why is Slant not included in the "Critical reception" prose? Also I prefer it to be written out as Slant Magazine instead of Slant to avoid the redirect. That's all I have :) Ippantekina (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ippantekina: - done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was easy :) Passing. Ippantekina (talk) 17:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that M.I.A originally wanted to name her newest album after her son but instead named it Mata? Source: https://www.papermag.com/mia-grimes-mata-2658467299.html?rebelltitem=29#rebelltitem29, https://www.nme.com/news/music/m-i-a-says-she-waited-years-for-doja-cat-and-nicki-minaj-features-on-mata-may-leak-it-myself-3301296
- ALT1: ... that the album cover for Mata features a logo with the T resembling a Christian cross in reference to M.I.A being a born again Christian? Source: https://www.allmusic.com/album/mata-mw0003824413 , https://pitchfork.com/news/mia-reveals-mata-album-art-shares-new-song-listen/ , https://web.archive.org/web/20131030154451/http://blogs.villagevoice.com/statusainthood/2007/07/status_aint_hoo_28.php
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Pagan School

Improved to Good Article status by ChrisTheDude (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 20:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mata (album); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is done. I like ALT1 best. I did not know she was a born again Christian. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 20:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]