Talk:Masih Alinejad

Masih Alinejad is Iranian American

Can you please edit the article to reflect the fact that Masih Alinejad is also American? Sources: https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1016300591/the-fbi-warned-an-iranian-american-woman-that-she-might-be-kidnapped https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/iran-journalist-kidnapping-alinejad/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.197.24 (talk) 13:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Can you please delete the quote from reference #23?

The quote from reference #23 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180629085451/http://baytownsun.com/opinion/article_49ad6e74-7b48-11e8-9493-7f38abba0771.html) is incorrect and damaging. The allegation was denied by Masih Alinejad and baytownsun.com has removed the article because it was fake. See http://baytownsun.com/opinion/article_49ad6e74-7b48-11e8-9493-7f38abba0771.html) The editor is referencing a web archive site of the article rather than the article itself. I don't think the deleted source should be considered reliable for such a damaging quote. This is the part the page I'm talking about: "Alinejad told the occasionally Baytown Sun's columnist, Emma Mcguire, while she was a reporter in Iran, Alinejad "was forced to marry a form of wedding in Iran known as 'temporary marriage' in order to get close enough to sources of news." She said it was a practice common among Iranian hot-headed female journalists.[23]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elnaz (talk • contribs) 03:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please delete mention of earning and payments.

One part of the entry deals with Masih Alinejad's contract with VOA and how much she earns from it. Please note the mentioning of earnings of a person in her biographical entry is neither normal nor ethical, and is only required when there is a specific point about it or if it answers some important question. None of these exists as far as this entry is concerned. Please remove sections like this unless they stipulate a logical reason for the mention.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.218.26.34 (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done, I think. This looks like opposition research. wumbolo ^^^ 09:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Government Worker = "Activist"?

Numerous sources, like the Intercept, have articles out about how this individual is only posing as a grassroots activist, but indeed, is on the payroll of the US government and working with the Trump administration instead. They cite evidence of her payroll records with the US government reliably. Should this person be described as an activist starting a "grassroots movement" throughout the article? IMHO, that would be inaccurate given prevailing financial facts and the biases inherent here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeweyDecimalLansky (talk • contribs) 17:22, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Self-Written Bios in Sources

I marked as Dubious the section under "Career" that appears to be a citation to a website containing a biography that Alinejad has most likely written herself (submitted to the website by her or agents assumedly). There appears to be no other evidence for the claims therein other than by Alinejad's own statements and works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeweyDecimalLansky (talk • contribs) 17:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I also think that she or her friends from White House who pay her to play some "dissident" have hands in writing this article.I think this should be corrected and make article less biased.

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Masih Alinejad (born 11 September 1976) is an Iranian journalist, author, political activist, and women's-rights activist. She currently lives in the United States where she works as a presenter and producer at the Voice of America Persian News Network, a correspondent for Radio Farda, a frequent contributor to Manoto television, and a contributing editor to IranWire. This photograph was taken in 2018, the year when she published her memoir, The Wind in My Hair, dealing with her journey from a tiny village in northern Iran to becoming a journalist and creating an online movement that sparked nationwide protests against the compulsory wearing of hijab.

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Masih Alinejad works for the United States regime and has ties with it

How is this not mentioned ? Just the fact she works for VOA Persian, which is funded openly by the United States regime why would The Intercept be an "obscure website"? There are numerous investigations about her, but that is not the question, she works for VOA, by that mean she works for the U.S regime. She got more than half million of funding by the U.S regime and murky multiple suitcases against Iran, how is this not "reliable" or "obscure"? it is a federal database , used in many wikipedia "non-obscure" articles as sourcing

She appeared publicly with Mike Pompeo, she had ties with the Trump administration, advocating to sanction Iran in the middle of a pandemic outbreak and even advocating to bomb Iran. it should be mentioned, the article is depicting a government as a "regime" and calling another government a "government", using clearly bias words and sourced with biography of the person made by herself — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

You're clearly cherry picking whatever you could find to slander Masih, and generally just not presenting the article in a neutral way. Especially with your first edit, where you wrote in your edit summary 'Article needs to be more neutral :)' but then proceeded to add stuff such as 'brainwashed', 'Israeli propaganda', 'islamophobic', etc. If you're unable to suppress your personal feelings towards her, then you shouldn't be editing in this article per WP:NPOV, and even WP:BLP. Moreover, you were quick to remove any mention of 'Iranian' and 'regime', but then here you casually call the US government for 'regime' several times, talk about being neutral. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

The only crucial thing which should be added, is that she WORKS for the U.S regime, she get her income from U.S taxpayers, the article only present her as an activist by passion.

"Alinejad focuses on criticism of human rights under the Islamic Republic of Iran, with a special focus on women's rights" it should be added that "she promote the overthrow of the current Iranian government", there are numerous source i pointed out above, it should be added the most neutral way that "she advocates sanctions on Iran" and that she is a "US government-paid individual", she accuses everyone criticizing her of being agents of Iran and she is criticized by feminists in Iran but thats not the point, no need to add her income, but just that she is factually a US government-paid individual.

As for using the "regime" word, i do it in the talk section and not on the main article, before i removed them every single pointing to Iran was with "Iranian regime" or "Mullah regime", and depicting the western as "governments".

Also the "see also" section contains things having nothing to do with the subject, such as "Theocracy", which proves again the article is biased by redirecting to what western regimes thinks of Iran. 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 15:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

You're clearly not here to make articles more "neutral", looking at your other edits as well [1] [2]. If you continue you will be reported to WP:ANI. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

It still not resolve the problem to make the article not one-sided, i proposed to add the most neutral quotes to mention she works for the U.S regime, "Alinejad is strongly supporting government overthrow/government change, notably by denouncing human rights violations and lack of women rights in Iran by broadcasting to Iranians with VOA Persian and creating campaigns against the Islamic Republic, she writes numerous articles on multiple outlets such as AlArabiya, BBC Persian and other medias." And appealing for more sanctions on Iran in the middle of the pandemic.

The article is one-sided and you and me knows it, there no question about her involvement and pressure on the Trump/Biden regime to sanction Iran, there is no mention that she used the campaign "United for Navid" to call FIFA to ban the Iran national football team for the 2022 world cup, she appeared with Madeleine Albright which was a major component of the Iraq invasion and said that is was necessary to kill 500000 children by starving them. I approve that adding her revenues is unethical, but the U.S paid-individual needs to be added, the article is making it like she is a grassroot passionated activist which the "mullah regime" wants to eliminate and threaten because she "says the truth", some biographies have a critic section, she need a critiscism section with the sources mentionned above, if it's not neutral then just add who she work for and which things she advocate for.

You need to stop being passive-aggressive, i am proposing to make the article neutral and you reply me by throwing ad-hominem attacks. 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You might want to read WP:CPP, WP:SANCTIONGAME and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I also see you've written a cute topic about me on Reddit [3], why don't you just say it directly to me instead? Perhaps I should notify an admin? --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I am only staying on topic and proposing to make the article more neutral, i already added sources and proposed quotes to add into the article, yet the only responses i get are personal attacks based on past edits and now off-wiki attacks.

What should i say to you? we are on Wikipedia and not Reddit, this attack isn't only worth nothing but shows openly that you've came this far to search outside of Wikipedia about me and bring it back there for some reason only you knows. You should apply WP:TRUCE

You should read WP:NPA;WP:NPANPA;WP:LINKLOVE, off-wiki attacks and also WP:CHERRYPICKING. 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

No, it just further reinforces the fact that you are clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

References

No mention of her jobs, very few lines indicating she works for the US government, no controversy section about her, everything is deleted by "HistoryOfIran" abusing of POV pushing

There is 0 mention of some controversies about her, notably lobbying under the Trump administration to not sell humanitarian aids to Iran, advocating congressmen to "push for a military operation inside Iran to remove the regime"

No mention of her being paid $600K by the United States taxpayers

No mention of what is IranWire

No mention of Iranians against Alinejad saying that she is not the leader of any protests and that no one got on the streets from "her call"

https://twitter.com/soureh_design2/status/1580248767097233408?s=46&t=s-a_c4MPJ2DVXOtdM2bzjA This is Alinejad talking on BBC when she gets asked if she is a US government tool https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct32gf

The full article is making like Alinejad is a grassroot activist, that she is only a victim, that everyone in Iran support her, that she wants good for Iran while the reality is completely different, there is no mention of any of the controversies so i let the non-neutral banner 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 14:48, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Looks you're back, this time with cherry-picked obscure sites. How about showing some diffs of my alleged "pov-pushing"? I wonder if you have already made another Reddit rant topic about me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Look how you are unprofessional, you just right away reverted and you are not even giving a simple explanation beside that the sources are "obsure" and talking about Reddit, TheIntercept is used as sources on many other articles, this isn't an obscure source, as for the quincy institute it is a think tank, and no, it isn't funded by the IRI, though many articles everywhere on wikipedia concerning Iran are using Saudi-Israeli funded think tank such as The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, or even worse, Iran International as sources, tell me what is "obscure" in the sources?

You are reverting anything that doesn't fit your views on this article by using the "pov pushing" rule. 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 10:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I reverted you because you didn't give an explanation, you simply started making pro-IR rants (and are still at it right now) like you do in Reddit. You can't just slam an NPOV template because you WP:JDLI what you see here. I also ask again, where are the diffs of my alleged "pov-pushing"? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I gave multiple western sources above, there is a controversy about Masih Alinejad and i said that the article should have a "controversy" or "critics" section with all these sources, the article barely mentions she is working for the US regime and Saudi regime while she describes herself as a "grassroot activist for women rights", the article is not neutral, simply because everything in it is about the IRI "harassing her" and every critics about her are forcibly coming from the Iranian government, the sources above are not affiliated with the Iranian government and just show facts that she is just a US tool for the Iran psyop, the BBC interview also shows plenty of things, when the interviewer ask her that question, she doesn't answer but derivate in hysteria, BBC, TheIntercept and that think tank aren't affiliated with the Iranian government as far as i know

You are violating Wikipedia rules and speaking with yourself, whether i have a "pro-IR" history of edits or things outside Wikipedia, this doesn't allow you to do whatever you want with this article, yes, every edits that are made here wanting to point out she is an US agent are reverted compulsively by you, abusing WP:NPOV and rewriting the rules so it fits to you 2A01:CB04:133:8000:2404:51F7:DB03:66E3 (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Because the article doesn't slander her (WP:BLP) as you would so much love doesn't make it non-neutral. The more you comment, the more you show that you are unable to maintain WP:NPOV ("she is just a US tool for the Iran psyop". This comment is also concerning [4]). You are also yet to show a single diff that demonstrates that I am "abusing WP:POV." --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Just add the section, the whole article is NOT MENTIONNING THAT SHE WORKS FOR THE US REGIME, everyone knows it, but this whole article is making like she is a victim, just add the "critics" section and make it yourself since you are surely completely neutral and a better writer 2A01:CB04:133:8000:6A1F:E744:AB67:3B72 (talk) 16:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

References

Political positions

I think the page can be better organized by having a section the subject's political positions where her positions covered by reliable sources can be covered. --Mhhossein ^talk 06:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Do you have any ideas? --Mhhossein ^talk 06:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Please elaborate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I suggest going by something like the structure adopted here. --Mhhossein ^talk 07:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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Bookku (talk) 06:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

U.S. citizen?

If Alinejad is a U.S. citizen, why not mention this fact in the text of the article, and mention exactly when she obtained such U.S. citizenship? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)