Talk:Maschinenmensch

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I watched the most recent Version from Feb. 2010 of Metropolis and the term was Mensch-Maschine and not Maschinenmensch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.96.7.96 (talk) 00:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those two terms are not synonymous. Mensch-Maschine is the factory machine which needs human input to work and the Maschinenmensch is a machine human aka. the Maria robot. 195.88.117.170 (talk) 15:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it quite likely that the Star Wars droid C-3PO was inspired by this design. The forearms, head fringe, and (of course) color are all similar. der Scott (talk) 06:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

17 Years?

On the fourth paragraph of the section "The Film Version", it says "Helm's son believes that Lang was trying to teach the 17-year old girl some discipline and mould her in his image, almost in analogy to the characters she played." But, if Brigitte Helm was born March 1906, and it was filmed 1926, then she would have been at least 19, and possibly 20, right? 69.200.230.14 (talk) 19:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The robot's name?

The opening statement says that the robot is called “Maria” in the film, and “Futura” in the novel. Where/ when in the film is the robot named thus? The robot is disguised as Maria, pretends to be Maria, and is taken by others to be Maria, but that isn’t the same thing at all as being Maria itself. It certainly doesn’t mean that the untransformed robot is also called Maria. It also would help greatly if the point could be clarified to say if the actual automaton is called “Futura” in the novel, or is it the (human) character known as Maria in the film version? Jock123 (talk) 10:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The robot is called Maschinenmensch (machine human). 195.88.117.170 (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find a source for the deleted scene showing the robot from behind.

Can anyone else find a source for this line? "The 2010 restoration of Metropolis revealed a previously unseen scene where Rotwang is confiding with the robot telling her about his plans. The shot is unusual because it reveals part of the back of the robot, mostly the back of her head and shoulders." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.50.168 (talk) 17:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Section "Replicas"

The whole section is of very questionable nature.

Why are replicas noteworthy at all?
Why are replicas of such an iconic figure noteworthy in particular? There must be thousands of Maschinenmenschen all over the world, should they all be listed?
What could possibly make a replica official? Stamp of approval from the "Amt für das Replikatswesen"?

The only possible exception from the general lack of noteworthiness is the one replica made by the original creator. 91.10.29.212 (talk) 09:43, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also the statement that the fate of the original Maschinenmensch statue is unknown and that it was probably destroying during filming has no source attached. Where did this statement came from? I came to this article look for this information. I did not find anything on this topic anywhere beside of this statement. 195.88.117.170 (talk) 15:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the source for this information, but since this source also don't cite sources, it remains questionable:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/photography-blog/gallery/2018/may/10/lost-in-hollywood-a-history-of-missing-movie-props-in-pictures 195.88.117.170 (talk) 08:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maschinenmensch

The lede currently says "The Maschinenmensch (German for "robot" or literally "machine-person")…"

The German word for "robot" is "Roboter", not "Maschinenmensch", which in turn literally translates as "machine-human". "Machine-person" would be "Maschinenperson".

Since I'm not overly invested in the topic of the article, I thought I'd refrain from editing directly - and it is a bit nit-picky, admittedly. But, being German, I also thought I'd point it out. 82.83.212.2 (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also from Germany and I'm happy somebody else did all that typing so I don't have to. :) I'm removing the "German for "robot""-bit since it simply isn't true. As an aside "Maschinenmensch" is nothing you would hear in German outside from discussing Metropolis. Machine-human seems like the closest possible translation to me. --91.22.94.66 (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I found the source for this information, but since this source also don't cite sources, it remains questionable:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/photography-blog/gallery/2018/may/10/lost-in-hollywood-a-history-of-missing-movie-props-in-pictures 195.88.117.170 (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]