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Incorrect article

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The article states that the Martlet is the name of the missile formerly known as the Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM); this isn't correct. The missile is still called the LMM and has been in service with the British Army (the largest UK user of the missile) under that name since July 2019 and still bears that name now. The term Martlet is the name for the same missile that is used by other defence users. THALES, the manufacturer, still refer to their product as the LMM and it is deployed under this name with Army GBAD units and the Air Defence Troop Royal Marines. Essentially Martlet is another, or brand, name for the LMM rather than being the name of the actual missile. I would suggest that this page is either renamed to Lightweight Multirole Missile, with the term Martlet being highlighted as another in service name for it, or that the article is split into two; one for the LMM and another for the Martlet branded uses (which I believe is primarily used by air to surface users). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.13.50.219 (talk) 09:20, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To me you are right and Martlet is only the name the British Navy has given to their own system version. [1] [2]. I'm writing an article of this to fi-wiki, and going to name it Thales JMM. But as always, happy to be proved wrong.--J. Sketter (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

control comparison. here it is possible, but here it is impossible, although there is one address, but the ban is fraudulent (https://en.wikipedia.su/wiki/Special:NewSection/Talk:Bucha_massacre) The IP is the same but indicates different for different wiki articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spyspook (talk • contribs) 12:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Guidance

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The missile as it can use the same launcher as Starstreak has SACLOS as its primary mode. IR is mentioned as a possibility due to the modular design, as is semiactive laser but I can't find any reference to them actually being in use.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 18:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have to ask what you think missile's final homing system is then? Inertia guidance & GPS are only for cruising to the target area. So the choices for real, precise target aquisition are about active/semiactive radar, passive IR or semiactive laser. The missile is quite small and radar is impropable at the 1st thought, but not necessarily so. Brits renownly used radiowawe proximity fuse in their AA grenades already in WW2. Today they seem to have specialized in laser guidance? --J. Sketter (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It uses SACLOS for guidance as I stated and a Laser proximity sensor for detonation but a proximity sensor does not provide guidance it simply triggers the warhead if the guidance system brings it close enough to something.Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. It's not fire&forget, but like Starstreak. I must have been somehow messed with my head. Up to 16 seconds of pointing to target sounds a long time, when launched from a helicopter but I guess it is so then. --J. Sketter (talk) 23:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is a problem from the MANPADS at long range but with the bigger systems the tracking is fully automatic via the optical tracking systems https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/united-kingdom/news/lightweight-multirole-missile-proves-performance-any-domain. Even in the shoulder mount the system once launched the operator just has to keep the target in the view finder and launcher optical tracks the target. https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/news/starstreak-hits-target --Kitchen Knife (talk) 23:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LMM vs. Martlet

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Martlet is the name of system only in Royal Navy service, however this article is about the missile and all its variants. For example the article discusses its use in Ukraine in the MANPADS capacity, where it appears from comments by the Defence Secretary Ben Wallace that it's being referred to as a "low velocity" Starstreak to complement HVM, taking its name from the shared CLU. Should this article not therefore use the name Lightweight Multirole Missile or Thales LMM as some of the other language versions of this article do? That is the manufacturers name for the missile, irrespective of various in-service names that might be used. ChiZeroOne (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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