Talk:Maroodi Jeex
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[edit]Waqoyi Galbeed belongs to somalia at large.
Its one of somali province at North west .
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[edit]Based on their respective descriptions, it seems that the Woqooyi Galbeed and Maroodi Jeex articles both describe the same place. I propose a merging of the two. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 13:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Anyone with information about which one is used more often? Or is this a case where one administrative unit replaced the other? -- llywrch 23:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Status of the region
[edit]The woqooyi Galbeed region was renamed, maroodi jeex which was then devided into two other regions. I have updated the page with these details. Qodaal123 (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Axmed sandhere Axmed sandhere (talk) 15:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Sources
[edit]I added sources for the Gadabuursi population of Waaqooyi Galbeed, the only population within this wikipage that have actual sources. There should be no cause for unsigned and unwarranted removals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs) 23:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- All included now. Kzl55 (talk) 10:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Sources being misused
[edit]I added sources for the Gadabursi population of this district, that are being used for the Akisho and Madigan, who do reside in this district, but are not mentioned in the sources I listed for the Gadabursi. A user is misusing the Gadabursi sources that do not mention the akisho and madigan and is using them for those two tribes. On page 109 of the book :Lewis, I. M. (1999-01-01). A Pastoral Democracy: A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa, the Gadabursi are mentioned not the Madigan and Akisho. Again this Gadabursi source is fraudulently being used on the Akisho and Madigan. I ask for that user to edit correctly and provide valid sources.
For the book Shattering Tradition: Custom, Law and the Individual in the Muslim Mediterranean. On Page 296 it only mentions Gadabursi and makes no mention of Akisho or Madigan, again another source being fraudulently used for these two other tribes. Each time I correct this error, the a user reverts the page back to its incorrect state. I also added two valid sources of the Gadabursi inhabiting the Area west of the Hergeisa district and also the Gabiley district itself, but these sources are being removed. These sources provide the reader a visual image of where the Gadabursi reside within the Waaqoyi Galbeed region. Again these valid sources are being removed without cause or reason. If these removals continue I will report this issue to a wikipedia editor.
As of now I corrected these errors and added valid sources to contribute to the growth of this page Aqooni (talk) 03:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Previous edit is more concise. Gadabursi are included as one of the minority clans. The source does mention Akisho and Madigaan, this is a quote from page 110: "Quite apart from the foreign minority communities mentioned above (Akisho, Tol Ja'lo, Madigaan, etc)". There is no need to include sub sub clans in the article, because then you would have to do the same for every group you list. Your source refers to the town of Borama as west of Hargeisa: "The Gadabursi traditionally occupy the territory to the west of Hargeisa around the town of Borama (Leatherbee and Bricker Jan. 1994, 28)." This source is irrelevant to use on this page as Borama is in Awdal and not Woqooyi Galbeed. Koodbuur (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Again bias is showing, the Isaaq habar awal source you are claiming is from 1988, the UNCHR source I provided is from 1994, and it clearly stated the Gadabursi subclan of the Mahadcase share the town with the Habar Awal. Thats why I included the mentioning of that subclan. No mention was who was more numerous was mention in the more recent source, indicating they are equal in number. Also many Isaaq clans that do not even reside in Gabiley are listed on this wikipedia page (without sources) But the time a Gadabursi subclan with a source is mentioned, it is subject to many again unwarranted removals. I have put back the 1994 more recent source on the demographics of the town. Also the Akisho and Madigan source if it is on page 110 of that novel, again page 110 is still not cited properly. You are still citing page 109 which only states the Gadabursi, again if you need help editing Wikipedia articles there are many resources available. I have cleared up the cadence of the sources Sincerely, The Aqoon One 01:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
- Also I just finished reading Anatomy of Violence: Understanding the Systems of Conflict and Violence in Africa, Gabiley demographics or population is not mentioned at all. I have since removed that source. The Aqoon One 01:46, 6 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
- A citation is valid as long as it is from a reliable source, your point about it somehow not being valid because it is from 1988 is bizarre. Most sources confirm Gadabursi to be a minority clan in the settlement along with other minority clans like Akisho, Madigan and others. As I stated mentioning each sub groups of all clans is not useful for the article as there are multiple groups cited, each with their own sub divisions. Your claim that they are equal in number is baseless. The majority group in Gabiley is Habar Awal, this is clearly stated in this source "Similarly, in the nearby district of Gabiley, no party nominated any candidates from the neighbouring Gadabursi clan because it was believed that the majority clan (Habar Awal/Saad Musa) would not vote for them" Source, this source is from 2013 so should satisfy your recency bias. Please do not remove sources just because they are not citing the exact page, citation of exact pages is not needed on Wikipedia, with that being said the link does go to page 110 for me and that page mentions Akisho, Madigan and others. On page 110, the source continues by saying, "although Gebile may be said to be the center of the Reer Dalal, and is so regarded, some Reer Dalal settlments lie scattered five miles to the east of Gebile towards Arapsiyo, and also near Wajale across the borther in Ethiopia. There are even settlments of the Yuunis Jibriil in the heart of this predominantly 'Ali Jibriil region". As for your removal of Anatomy of Violence, it is unwarranted. The source clearly states: "Somaliland is populated by Gedabuursi and Isse in the Awdal region, Habar Awal (Isaaq) in the south-west region...." page.130, that is entirely within the scope of this article. It has been reinstated. Koodbuur (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- The reason I mentioned the year of the citation was to show how the 1988 citation is outdated. I added more up to date demographic of this region but again they are being removed without cause or valid reason. Users are completely removing the Gadabursi from this talk page, even when you just mentioned they reside there as well. Also the other UNCHR source I provided stated the Mahad Case Gadabursi share the Gabiley town with the Isaaq, indicating their level numbers. I am not sure why valid sources are continuing to be misused and removed within this page. It must be a bias because I can't think of any other reason. The Gadabursi do reside within the Waaqoyi Galbeed District and I will continue to add valid sources. The Aqoon One 01:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
- A citation is valid as long as it is from a reliable source, your point about it somehow not being valid because it is from 1988 is bizarre. Most sources confirm Gadabursi to be a minority clan in the settlement along with other minority clans like Akisho, Madigan and others. As I stated mentioning each sub groups of all clans is not useful for the article as there are multiple groups cited, each with their own sub divisions. Your claim that they are equal in number is baseless. The majority group in Gabiley is Habar Awal, this is clearly stated in this source "Similarly, in the nearby district of Gabiley, no party nominated any candidates from the neighbouring Gadabursi clan because it was believed that the majority clan (Habar Awal/Saad Musa) would not vote for them" Source, this source is from 2013 so should satisfy your recency bias. Please do not remove sources just because they are not citing the exact page, citation of exact pages is not needed on Wikipedia, with that being said the link does go to page 110 for me and that page mentions Akisho, Madigan and others. On page 110, the source continues by saying, "although Gebile may be said to be the center of the Reer Dalal, and is so regarded, some Reer Dalal settlments lie scattered five miles to the east of Gebile towards Arapsiyo, and also near Wajale across the borther in Ethiopia. There are even settlments of the Yuunis Jibriil in the heart of this predominantly 'Ali Jibriil region". As for your removal of Anatomy of Violence, it is unwarranted. The source clearly states: "Somaliland is populated by Gedabuursi and Isse in the Awdal region, Habar Awal (Isaaq) in the south-west region...." page.130, that is entirely within the scope of this article. It has been reinstated. Koodbuur (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Also I just finished reading Anatomy of Violence: Understanding the Systems of Conflict and Violence in Africa, Gabiley demographics or population is not mentioned at all. I have since removed that source. The Aqoon One 01:46, 6 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
- Again bias is showing, the Isaaq habar awal source you are claiming is from 1988, the UNCHR source I provided is from 1994, and it clearly stated the Gadabursi subclan of the Mahadcase share the town with the Habar Awal. Thats why I included the mentioning of that subclan. No mention was who was more numerous was mention in the more recent source, indicating they are equal in number. Also many Isaaq clans that do not even reside in Gabiley are listed on this wikipedia page (without sources) But the time a Gadabursi subclan with a source is mentioned, it is subject to many again unwarranted removals. I have put back the 1994 more recent source on the demographics of the town. Also the Akisho and Madigan source if it is on page 110 of that novel, again page 110 is still not cited properly. You are still citing page 109 which only states the Gadabursi, again if you need help editing Wikipedia articles there are many resources available. I have cleared up the cadence of the sources Sincerely, The Aqoon One 01:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
Demographics
[edit]Hargeisa District majority Sa'ad Musse sub-clan of Habar Awal with sizeable minority of Eidagalle and Arap sub-divisions of Isaaq.
Berbera District exclusively inhabited by Isse Musse sub-clan of Habar Awal
Gabiley District exclusively inhabited by Jabril Abokor sub-clan of Sa'ad Musse sub-clan of Habar Awal.
Gadabursi are none-existent in gabiley region with no mps or villages within gabiley region. Gabiley region is wholly dominated by Jabril Abokor with the second largest clan abdullah abokor which again is sub-clan of sa'ad musse with tiny clans of madigan, akisho and gurgura. Gadabursi are not mentioned and are irrelevent after Dilla. East Dilla is strictly settled by Jabril Abokor, so stop the lies please.
We all know the exclusive residents in gabiley region are Jabril Abokor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Habar Awal king (talk • contribs) 10:18, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
No proof for above statements, as sources disprove that false notion. There is only 1 Dilla and it is 100% Gadabursi The Aqoon One 04:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqooni (talk • contribs)
Requested move 26 June 2020
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Woqooyi Galbeed → Maroodi Jeex – The official name of this region is "Maroodi Jeex", "Woqooyi Galbeed" is an antiquated name. Therefore this should be changed as per source: "the Maroodi Jeex (also known as Waqooyi Galbeed) ..." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068950 )/ Jacob300 (talk) 18:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. (t · c) buidhe 02:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)}}
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Mdaniels5757 (talk) 21:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Woqooyi Galbeed appears to be the name used by credible sources including the United Nations, UNFP 2014 Population Estimation Survey 2014, the CIA and British Home Office. Felinepaw (talk) 22:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)- Strikethrough comment by confirmed sock. --Kzl55 (talk) 12:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The former Woqooyi Galbeed region no longer exists, it is now known as Maroodi Jeex per the fifth clause of the 2002 Regions and Districts Law [1]. --Kzl55 (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Gobolkaan waxaa uu kamid yahay wali somalia .
Maroodi jeex
[edit]This is incorrect information Abdi xarago (talk) 22:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)