Talk:Markus Persson/Archive 1

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Pocket Edition

The article only mentions the Pocket Edition of Minecraft for Android, but it is also available on iOS as of November 17th, 2011. 67.60.80.6 (talk) 11:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

And in the mean time, the Minecraft version for XBox 360 is out, and there is now 4 million copies sold. Time to update this I think? danielbauwens 13:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Minecraft Release Date

Markus has moved the date for Minecraft to be released up one week, to November 18. The page should be changed to correspond with this change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachman3334 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

October 2010

Do you not think that Markus Persson, being a person, deserves a page separate from his game? I mean, he has a lot of recognition, mildly famous, a pretty well-known figure. In fact, today I heard his name on three separate occasions from three different people...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.107.131 (talk • contribs) 23:56, October 14, 2010

As well as this, nobody has written in the 'Games' section that he was a founder of Wurm Online! That's a little more of a large-scale project than some that are listed... --Acra (talk) 13:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Notability

Since notch hasn't really been mentioned outside of articles talking about Minecraft, I doubt his notability outside of the video-game world. I suggest we merge it with the Minecraft article.24.47.43.189 (talk) 10:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Although Wikipedia should not predict future, Persson has started his own company and is working on a new game. It is one event, yes and notability is at question. If you strongly feel like merging, you can propose this. The majority of info would be trimmed this way, so storing the article in userspace draft would be then preferred. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with the Wikipedia-is-not-a-crystal-ball thing when it comes to Notch. Merge for now, recreate later. --Newimagekirby (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. Although not well known, Markus is a developer of many games and has a notable history within the programming scene. I suggest that though Minecraft was the largest success, it is by no means the only. I disagree with a merge for that reason. --Acra (talk) 13:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I also disagree. While he is most famous for Minecraft, that dosn't mean he should be merged with it. For example, Stalin is most well know as a leader of the USSR. He still has his own page. 24.246.127.189 (talk) 15:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Thefowles1, 31 January 2011

Upon reading how Markus wants to improve and edit the game until completion, I recalled reading a tweet from him about how Minecraft will "probably never be feature complete". It might be worth noting this in the article to show, if anything, how much Markus dedicates his life to the development of this indie sandbox game. Source: http://twitter.com/notch/status/2676353086259200

Thefowles1 (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

What exactly is it that you want added to the article? "Markus dedicates his life to the development of this indie sandbox game" is your personal interpretation and thus original research. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Agree with H3llkn0wz. -Atmoz (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Metagun by Mojang?

See Talk:Mojang_AB#Metagun. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Scrolls

I don't think that Scrolls should be on this page since Markus says on his twitter page that another member of Mojang AB is working on it, so it's not really one of his games.[1] Ffrogman (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Agreed, Scrolls is a Mojang development, not Markus' --Acra (talk) 13:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Stance on piracy

I think it's important to note that Notch still thinks people who pirate are "jerkasses". The current section could give the misconception that he supports piracy, which he does not.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gjrf4/iama_indie_game_developer_who_made_a_commercially/c1o1s34 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.50.19 (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I am thinking the current wording of this section of the article fail's to adopt a contrary tone when mentioning the facts that he both criticizes piracy as well as supporting it. 204.10.127.120 (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

What about this comment? http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216416p1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamtholee (talk • contribs) 11:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.2.26.245, 8 August 2011

Please change 'tumbler' (under the headline scrolls) to 'Tumblr' or 'tumblr', as that is how the website spells its name.

Samalamalam (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Done Topher385 (talk) 00:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

More detailed, or less detailed competition games list?

Currently the article refers to "Prelude of the Chambered" and "Breaking the Tower" which are both games he created in competitions. They are listed among the same level as games that he has taken years to make (as opposed to 48 hours as it was with many of the competition games), so I recommend a few possibilities: Creating a new section entitled "Ludum Dare Games" or something similar, and listing all of the known games he created for those competitions, adding all of the games to the original list of games, or removing the competition games from the games list. Opinions? TJFadness (talk) 00:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Both Ludum Dare games say they are Ludum Dare games and Minecraft has a "Main article: Minecraft" link. I'm not sure adding another sub-header is needed. I added it anyway with an intro and added Metagun. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 07:07, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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Location

minecraft.net's WHOIS suggests that Markus lives, presumably, in Sågbacken 140, Stockholm, Stockholms Län, Sweden.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.249.63 (talk • contribs)

First of all, that's most likely their office. Secondly, such deduction is WP:OR and trivia that we do not include. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Atheist

Just found out that Notch is an atheist, (http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/mzro3/i_already_donated_861536upvote_count_per_upvote/c355kof). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.1.167 (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

So? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 22:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

So don't you think that that should go under "personal life"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.1.167 (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

No more than his favorite color, attended kindergarten, or sexual orientation should unless it has had direct documented impact on his work. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd be all in favor of adding it to his page, in context and category, but I believe we'd need a better source than Reddit. DarthBotto _talk•cont 10:39, 06 January 2012 (UTC)

Pretty much everyone in Sweden is an atheist :). If he wasn't, THAT would be noteworthy. Andreasdr (talk) 09:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Link

Hey, the link to Java in the Minicraft section refers to the Indonesian Island, rather than the programming language. Link should be "Java_(programming_language)". Thanks =] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.234.80 (talk) 18:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done Fixed both instances. You could've fixed it yourself, y'know... :) Salvidrim! 18:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I won't create an account, so no, I couldn't have done it myself ;] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.234.80 (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Notoriety?

Notiriety is a negative thing: "the state of being known for some unfavorable act or quality.". It doesn't make sense in this context

Since the inception of Minecraft, Persson has gained significant notoriety within the video game industry, having won multiple awards and establishing relations with the industry's figureheads.

--96.35.167.139 (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Merger with Mojang

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I am a player of Minecraft, however unless this article can be greatly imporved, I think it should be merged with Mojang. Due to the fact that Jens Bergensten also has a merge discussion, I've decided to set up an RfC on Talk:Mojang. Please comment there. Thanks, Nathan2055^{talk - review} 17:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Notch is currently considered one of the most notable and important people in the video game industry today. Not only was he the lead designer of one of the most-popular video game titles in the world, but he has won numerous awards, including a BAFTA, and has been involved with philanthropies and charities that have taken a special interest in him. Either the nominator of this has minimal knowledge of this subject, or they are generalizing over the ambiguous nature of the merger discussion over Jens Bergensten. You might want to reconsider your basis, Nathan2055. DarthBotto _talk•cont 21:20, 01 April 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I would also like to note that sources are easily obtainable, while regarding Notch. I've done some significant work on the introduction to this article and know for a fact that the page has the potential to be a good article, given the right incentive. DarthBotto _talk•cont 22:12, 01 April 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Notch very clearly had independent notability for a number of reasons, meeting several of the requirements of WP:BIO. Silverseren^C 01:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Strong oppose - Agree with DarthBotto about all he said.

Birthplace and Birthdate

Markus Alexej "Notch" Persson was born on June 1, 1979. In "Minecraft: The story of Mojang" he stated in an interview that he was born in a town possibly called Ystad. However, it was hard to tell because of Notch's accent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heymister14 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 April 2012

Please put Ystad, Sweden as Notch's birthplace. In "Minecraft: The story of Mojang", he says he spent the first 7 years of his life in Ystad. Also, please create a link on Notch's page to Elin Zetterstrand's page. It has recently been created.

Heymister14 (talk) 00:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done The Zetterstrand's page was deleted. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Minecraft Xbox Edition Release Date

Minecraft Xbox Edition is scheduled to be released on May 9th, 2012, according to Wikipedia's Mincraft Page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Healablemarrow4 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

0x10^c

While there certainly aren't enough reliable sources to start a Wikipedia article on this topic, it is certainly worth mentioning somewhere in this article that Notch has formally announced the name of his next game that he is working on:

http://0x10c.com/

Finding reliable secondary sources on this topic is going to be difficult for awhile, as it is simply far too early, but I do think something ought to be put into this article mentioning this game and website as it does look like where Notch is going to be spending a fair bit of his time.

Some sources to look at (just as a cursory glance at potential notability to this as a topic):

• http://gamerant.com/0x10c-notch-space-mmo-robk-141991/
• http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/31163/
• http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/04/0x10c-minecraft-developer-notchs-next-game-will-be-a-mmo-space-epic/

I think this is enough to at least write a paragraph or two about the topic *within* this article and possibly create the kernel seed for a potential full article if more information actually comes. It does look like it will be a significant effort and major game, unlike some of the "toy" games that Notch has made over the past several months. --Robert Horning (talk) 07:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This was addressed as soon as the game was announced. DarthBotto _talk•cont 18:59, 06 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 April 2012

In the front page, change Markus Persson's DOB from June 6th to June 1st.

Sfaidan (talk) 01:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Source of the information? --Robert Horning (talk) 14:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

It is sourced in the infobox, which already reads June 1st. Celestra (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't notice that earlier. --20:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 April 2012

Under "Minecraft", it says that the Xbox 360 version will be released in the winter of 2011. Please change this to the spring of 2012 because the game has not been released in the winter of 2011 but will be released in the spring of 2012.

173.54.186.103 (talk) 04:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:08, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

VVVVVV

Notch or Mark helped with VVVVVV! 67.241.8.126 (talk) 19:47, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Notch is co-funding the game Ages of Wonders III

Big money : they say they don't need Kickstarter because of him. https://ageofwonders.com/faq/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.45.146.59 (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

0x10c is cancelled

Yeah. It's cancelled. I think it should be on this page. Also, fans made Project Trillek to "continue" it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.189.165 (talk) 13:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC) but yhats so awsome that game is stupid anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.puff puff (talk • contribs) 19:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Should 0x10c 'On Ice' be added?

It was recently announced by Markuss Persson that 0x10c is 'temporarily' being discontinued in development. I think it should be mentioned in the list of games he made, the one titled '0x10c' (obviously). I myself might've done it without asking in here, but I thought it might wanna go under more professional work, and if it should even be added altogether. Thoughts?(Forgot signatures) Electricgalore24.255.189.117 (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.189.117 (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Ego Page?

Does this article seem less like an encyclopaedic entry and more like an ego page for Mr. Persson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.188.3.62 (talk) 20:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Any specific concerns? A quick look over the article suggests that everything is sourced and written from a neutral point of view. IgnorantArmies 08:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Why do you say that? 24.41.35.103 (talk) 23:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Notch's conduct re: Yogscast at Minecon

No mention of this? Notch's reputation took a hit because of his unprofessional conduct during that whole incident. tildetildetildetilde — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.71.43 (talk) 05:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Notch's reputation wasn't affected in any way enough to be wrote about on this article. Wagner ^u t c 18:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? tildetildetildetilde — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.71.43 (talk) 02:06, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

By "Tilde", they mean the ~ symbol. Thats what you use to sign posts. 24.246.127.189 (talk) 15:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

That was funny125.237.93.122 (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this some kind of joke? tildetildetildetilde Jarble (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

College, studies?

I think this should be mentioned, there is documentation that he went to college but what career?

We don't have the US college system here in Sweden. We have the equivalence to your high school, and after that university studies towards a specific degree (e.g. no minors or majors or unrelated courses, just the degree in itself.) From what I understand he has no degree, so either he didn't complete his degree or he just has a high school education. I've read about him interviewing for a developer where they said they could tell he was self-taught, presumably because he didn't structure his code like a course in software design would have taught him. 85.229.136.83 (talk) 19:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Notch (game designer). Favonian (talk) 11:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Markus Persson → Notch – per WP:COMMONNAME, he's probably the primary topic, so the current Notch would need to be moved to Notch (disambiguation). — Preceding unsigned comment added by おやすみ (talk • contribs)

I'd be down for that. Mythpage88 (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Neutral with compromise of Notch (game designer). I would say Notch is indeed the common name; for example, "Notch" is used more than twice more than "Markus Persson" in Google News. Since common name is determined by reliable sources foremost this is a very good indication. Regarding informal sources like forums and whatnot, I don't think there's any doubt to anyone frequenting that "Notch" is the common pseudonym. Now, I don't think it's primary topic though. If you ask a person what "notch" is, they would say it's a V-shaped hole or a mountain pass, not Persson's alias. I would expect better proof that it's the primary topic globally, not just in gaming-related circles. If one googles "notch", first hits are for Persson due to Google's indexing popularity algorithm, but it falls off very quickly into a plethora of unrelated usage. Given all that, I think disambiguating as "Markus Persson" is better than disambiguating as "Notch (game designer)". —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't even find an article about a "V-shaped hole", but I'm also neutral about this. Wagner ^u t c 20:48, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, there isn't one on Wikipedia, it's just a common English word not notable on its own. Like "nick" or "dent" or something. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose the original proposal per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Notch (artist) and notch (landform) are as least as important. I will defer to others on the possibility of Notch (game designer). —  AjaxSmack  01:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

• Strong oppose the obvious primary topic is a mountain pass. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 05:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

What about the Notch (game designer) suggestion since that name would not make this article the primary meaning of Notch and should aleviate any concerns on that front.--70.24.208.34 (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. Notch (game designer) looks like a reasonable compromise to me. Jenks24 (talk) 04:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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The rename

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Notch (game designer) → Markus Persson – I have to say, renaming this page was a pretty bad move. Not only does the consensus seem ambiguous, but Persson does not explicitly go by the pseudonym "Notch". In fact, most news articles since the genesis of Minecraft's popularity have referred to him by his legal name, with a mention of his pseudonym as a nod to his early anonymity. I think it should be reconsidered, so far as changing the title back. I'm all for editing this page, as you can see from the new introduction, but it's awkward to have his pseudonym being used for prominence; very unenyclopedic for a public name. Correct time stamp. Jenks24 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC) DarthBotto _talk•cont 00:52, 09 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this idea, plus using a legal name can be helpful to those who don't know "Notch". sageinventor (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this idea as well, I'm going to go ahead and file this as a requested move to draw some attention. --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 19:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Why move it to Markus Persson (game designer) and not just Markus Persson? Ciaran Sinclair (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Still neutral about "Notch" vs. "Markus Persson". Oppose "Markus Persson (game designer)" as unnecessary disambiguation (we don't have another "Markus Persson" page). —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:28, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Support as Markus Persson without (game designer) disambiguation. -- ferret (talk) 15:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support What, we're naming articles after user names now? As noted, the correct move is to Markus Persson to avoid unnecessary disambiguation. --BDD (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support as Markus Persson: no reason for using a pseudonym unless systematically used by the person, which does not seem to be the case.--Gorpik (talk) 18:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
• Comment - I agree with the unnecessary disambiguation thing, so I updated the request accordingly. --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 19:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support move to Markus Persson, there is no reason to use vague pseudonym. --MrBoire (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - I would prefer that this article use a legal name instead of a pseudonym. Jarble (talk) 21:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - Rename to Markus Persson. Notch (game designer) can certainly redirect to this page, and the disambiguation page for Notch should also continue to point to this article for the purpose of reference. Still, following Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names there is some room for negotiation on this point. In terms of reliable sources and common names used in news media, both Notch and Markus Persson are used about equally in reference to the same person, with Markkus Persson more typical with the "mainstream press" and Notch being used more typically with publications more directly related to gaming and game development. --Robert Horning (talk) 14:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - The majority of the Wikipedia articles referring to Notch use his legal name, and the rename would eliminate potential confusion by people unfamiliar with his handle being linked here. Lucas "Shank" Nicodemus (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - It seems improper to use a pseudonym in place of his actual name, move to Markus Persson and turn Notch (game designer) into a redirect. Yiosie ²³⁵⁶ 04:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - makes more sense to use his actual name Belegdal (talk) 02:03, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support - let's move the article's title quality up a notch.^[pun] Longbyte1 (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
• Support - His pseudonym is usually mentioned only once per article. (longest chain of supports ever?) Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 07:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Edit request on 9 May 2012

Minor usage fix: In the 0x10c subsection, please change "distance future" to "distant future".

McKathlin (talk) 00:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out! --Robert Horning (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Primary Sources

The sheer amount of primary sources in this article is atrocious. I have added {{primary source-inline}} to the ones that I noticed. Mythpage88 (talk) 23:35, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

The sad thing is that there are plenty of secondary sources to use for most of these references as well, that even add some details going beyond the tweets and random musings of Notch. I agree this is an issue which needs to be eventually fixed. --Robert Horning (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Wait, we use Twitter for primary sources now? Sparklerainbow87 (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Twitter is a primary source almost by definition. As long as you can determine with accuracy who is sending the various tweet messages (usually not too difficult of a task and usually supported through several sources what account name is connected to which real-world people), it can and should be used as a reliable source... but as a primary source following the guidelines at WP:PRIMARY.

In the case of Markus Persson, he chats up a storm and often posts as many as a dozen tweets per day (sometimes as much as about a hundred) where he muses about life, work, and projects he is working on. A great many details of the projects he does have been discussed in Twitter messages to various fans, and for somebody writing a biography of the guy it would be a fantastic repository of information about him including who are his closest associates. Blogs and other similar writings of a person can be seen as a sort of auto-biography.

None of this should be a shock. It is no different than a historian in earlier times using a diary or journal for primary source material, but it does take synthesis and results in other problems of primary sources where a more dispassionate 3rd party or several 3rd party secondary sources digging through all of this information would be better source material for writing a Wikipedia article. --Robert Horning (talk) 18:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I feel the primary source tag on his birthplace is a bit of an overreaction. Apart from his medical records / birth certificate, both of which are private, the only way to find his birthplace is directly or indirectly (people he told) from Notch himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaredjeya (talk • contribs) 11:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Easy there. Reread WP:PRIMARY. There's nothing inherently wrong with primary sources. They're perfectly acceptable for "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the source but without further, specialized knowledge." Basic facts like the man's birthdate and wife's name can certainly be supported by primary sources, and as such, I've removed those tags from the infobox. Now, if you have other sources giving different information, those straightforward statements might deserve tagging, but Template:Disputed-inline is the right tag for the job. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request on 17th June

Please add Wurm Online under the Games section - Notch was a co-founder. Sources: Goodsmudge (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Can you please add on information as to what should be added? I am aware of what needs to be added but don't have an entry for that subsection to put in. Reset answered parameter to no once you are done.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 13:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 August 2012

Markus announced via Twitter that he is now single and is no longer with Elin Zetterstrand. Edit to the infobox needs to be made. Maybe an explanation under the Personal Life subsection.

http://twitter.com/notch/status/235746965823033345 Caboose221 (talk) 15:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Right now, all we have is one tweet saying he is single at the moment. There is no reliable information on what this means for his personal life at all. If you want an edit to the infobox, please be more specific as to what should be edited (just remove the spouse mention?) and what you want added to the Personal Life section. If you can, try to back it up with a more reliable source. Arda Xi^(Talk) 17:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Interestingly, Markus even mentions Wikipedia by name as rationale for the announcement. For myself, I think this amounts to WP:FART treatment (one of my favorite essays on Wikipedia at the moment). --Robert Horning (talk) 22:37, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Personal Life.

I noticed that people tend to add religious affiliation to Wikipedia pages. Came across an Imgur snapshot of a conversation between Notch & Jeb: http://imgur.com/r/atheism/NKUdy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.20.13 (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

That is also subject to WP:PRIMARY and generally needs to be avoided. If his religious viewpoints become something of a topic in a news article that can be considered a reliable source, and by saying it is a topic meaning it isn't just a passing reference but something of substance about that religious affiliation, by all means include that in this article. An interview or something similar is fine too, but again avoid a merely passing reference as his religious affiliation should be at least a major topic in that interview with at least some elaboration on the concept. I don't think this quick exchange on Twitter would count and has a number of other problems other than showing religious bigotry on the part of an anonymous person that Notch just happens to be bringing up at the moment. --Robert Horning (talk) 22:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. His religion (or lack of) is not notable unless it is a primary source in which he is known for. This is similar to articles that are under the Category of "American Muslims" or "Canadian Jews," It has no notability unless it is part of what makes them notable. 98.198.85.83 (talk) 10:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Your edit, however, was not a collaborative action of this specific discussion, as the source was not a passing reference on Twitter or a chat log, but was removing a discussion about his donations made in the name of his religious beliefs. DarthBotto _talk•cont 07:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 December 2012

The biography section says he began programming on his father's Commodore 128 home computer at the age of three. The given source for that sentence reads „My father bought a Commodore 128 when I was seven years old, …” and goes on how he started with type-in programs from a magazine then.

So my request is changing the „three” into „seven”. Marrin (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for helping to improve Wikipedia. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:40, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Notch's Biography

Norstedts published an ebook about Notch's life and the story of Minecraft's creation/"rise to power" in 2012,[2] and it's getting a hardcover English edition from Seven Stories Press later this year.[3] I'm pretty surprised it hasn't been mentioned in this or the main Minecraft article already, but I think this should go in the Biography section.

Disclaimer: I'm an SSP intern here to help improve articles relating to our authors and to subjects we publish books about. I love neutrality! Just want to make sure all our relevant info gets shared appropriately. Ssintern (talk) 16:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you please offer the content you would propose with citations (preferable in proper citation templates)? Preferably we would just cite the book itself if there are no book reviews available, rather than catalogs or book stores. CorporateM (Talk) 00:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request. Sentence 4. "Figurehead" - I do not think that word means what you think it does! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.207.131 (talk) 13:21, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request -- Add note on reference to him in Skyrim

There is a sly reference to Markus and Minecraft in Skyrim. If you climb to the very top of the tallest mountain in Skyrim, the Throat of the World, you will find a unique tool named the "Notched Pickaxe" stuck in the rock. This is an enchanted pickaxe that raises the player's smithing skills, and it alludes to both Markus' nickname and the central role of the pickaxe in Minecraft. 64.251.72.251 (talk) 05:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I remember a tweet by Notch about this at the time it was created (by the developers of Skyrim), along with some magazine article talking about this pickaxe. Unfortunately, the wikia references does not qualify as a reliable soruce and you need to find those articles or tweets which reference this item. With the volume of articles and content about Markus Persson, I would be hard pressed to identify the specific source that could collaborate this particular item and its connection to the Minecraft creator. Find the source (and please at least leave a link here in this talk page), and it will be added to the article. --Robert Horning (talk) 05:18, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Would it? Eurogamer GameZone 1UP Game Informer —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Why should it not be added into this article? Seriously? I assume you, Hellknowz, have edited more than a few times on Wikipedia. If you have something meaningful to say about this topic (how to add this bit of trivia) into the article, a more meaningful comment would be much more appreciated rather than sniping from the sidelines and skating very close to a personal attack. --Robert Horning (talk) 13:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'll also add, those particular references you listed, while noting the "fan speculation" about the pickaxe (aka rumors and gossip), none of them seem to have anything definitive about the topic and as such doesn't seem to qualify as something worth including into an article. Some deeper digging into sources might be needed rather than a casual Google search. --Robert Horning (talk) 13:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Huh? You said it would be hard to find sources, I went and got 4 of them from WP:VG/RS. How is this in any way even close to a personal attack? You said "you need to find those articles or tweets which reference this item" to 64.251 and that's what I replied with. And where have I said this should or shouldn't be included in the article, why do you assume I am against including it?

Anyway, I think Minecraft#Popular_culture_and_social_media is a better place to add it, but it probably should be mentioned very briefly without too many specifics as this is a one-time news event. We can also add a short mention in Markus_Persson#Scrolls if there is consensus. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:12, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Persson's Father's Death

I read on The Word Of Notch (his personal blog) that his father died approx. December 2011, I would like to request an edit to add that in to the personal section. Sorry if I did this wrong. I am not good at talk pages, I barely use them because most of my edits are minor, and I am a WP Newbie. Bugzeeolboy (talk) 23:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)bugzeeolboy

I'm not sure this qualifies as a encyclopedia-worthy event. We don't usually add deaths of relatives to person/biography pages (as far as I know) unless they are especially significant. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:07, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Piracy

"He has criticized both piracy[41][non-primary source needed] as well as the stance of large game companies on piracy[42]". Notch is decidedly in favor of piracy, he actively encourages users to pirate minecraft until they can afford to pay Mojang. http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/01/12/minecraft-creator-notch-tells-players-to-pirate-his-game/ http://www.gamefront.com/notch-says-if-you-cant-pay-for-minecraft-pirate-it-and-pay-later/

This statement should be clarified. He does not criticize piracy, he criticizes the stance of major developers, and, in the end, likely loses more money to piracy, being part of an indie firm. http://www.windowsusers.org/piracy.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.51.31.105 (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 February, 2014

At the end of 2nd paragraph in the "Personal life" section, there's a claim that he's a "bronie" (sic). If this clumsy sentence is to remain, it could be improved by: (a) creating a separate paragraph. (b) clarifying his referal to the "20% cooler" brony meme.

Please consider replacing the sentence with something like the following paragraph, while still including the current links & references for their relevance: "It has been claimed that he is a "brony" (a portmanteau of "bro" and "pony", referring to a male who watches My Little Pony) which he has jokingly denied on Twitter ("there's no proof! Nopony saw me watch thee (sic) episodes in a row the other day!") despite his nod to brony-related memes such as "20% cooler".

Thanks 139.216.197.165 (talk)

Note: This article is no longer semi-protected, but under Pending Changes, so you can make these edits yourself, but they will be reviewed before they become part of the published article. Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Net Worth

This article states that the net worth of Markus is $150 million, the citation is a website that has no credibility and appears to have plucked the number out of thin air. The tax returns of Swedish individuals are public, in 2012 alone Markus took home over $100 million in licensing fees for Minecraft and has previously been offered billions of dollars for Minecraft . He is the owner of the Minecraft IP, therefore it stands to reason that his net worth is in the billions of dollars, not $150 million. The number should be removed, or at the very least revised to include publicly available information. Does Wikipedia have any standards for how net worth must be calculated? Citricsquid (talk) 11:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 October, 2014

"Facebook creeps me out", he stated on .

The above sentence fragment doesn't specify anything following the "on", so it should be removed.

On 25 March 2014, Persson announced that an Oculus Rift version of Minecraft will never happen after Facebook bought Oculus.

The above text doesn't make sense, so "Facebook" (the purchaser) should be inserted.

Not done: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking to change. The first sentence says "on Twitter" already, and is clear. The second sentence already says "Facebook", so there's nothing to insert. It almost sounds like your browser isn't displaying the wikilink text that is already there, but they are.. -- ferret (talk) 12:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2015

"is a Swedish video game programmer and designer. Persson is known as the owner of Mojang" "he founded alongside Carl Manneh and Jakob Porser in late 2010." Markus Persson is no longer the owner or has got anything to do with mojang neither does Jakob Porser Theineviable5 (talk) 15:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 15:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Not sure how to report vandalism so I'll report it to the page's talk page

Today is Saturday, 31 Jan 2015. At 22:00 CST, I got onto this page on my Android smartphone. The little introductory thing it says about him says "Swedish video game programmer and founder of Mojang que le gusta hacer porno." I don't speak Spanish well but that says something related to him liking pornography. I'd edit that to make it less vandalism-y but I don't know how so I'm just reporting it to here. So uhh yeah.

NiklawskiMSTM traveled from the fourth dimension to deliver this text to you. Please thank him on his talk page. 04:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2015

Personal Life should be expanded to include: "In June 2015, it was confirmed by medical professionals that Markus Persson has a heart. Source https://twitter.com/notch/status/608916506697678848 80.113.156.22 (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Unimportant nonsense. -- ferret (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2016: spelling

"MEGA4kMAN" should be changed to "MEG4kMAN" because that's the correct spelling. If you look it up, you will find many sources to prove this. 64.180.193.247 (talk) 05:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2016

Add minecraft.net to his website

72.200.128.193 (talk) 01:09, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: It's not his personal website. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2016

Notch's website (notch.net) should be added to the External Links section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoSpica (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

This website is already listed on the sidebar of this page. In some ways, I wonder if perhaps the entire "External Links" section ought to be simply removed altogether? It should be pointed out that the Notch.net website doesn't really have much in the way of content right now, as all of the content that used to be there has now been moved to the Tumbler site instead. --Robert Horning (talk) 18:52, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

A single primary topic's website is fine. But the rest don't provide any further encyclopedic content about the subject. I don't know what our stance on IMDB links is exactly, but it has almost no info there. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:32, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

The minecraft.net used to be much more about Mr. Persson back when Mojang or for that matter Minecraft was just a single person sole proprietorship with no employees. With the expansion of Mojang and then the subsequent sale of that company to Microsoft, it really doesn't have much at all to do with him except as a source of some historical information. The same thing could be said about his appearance on the Craig Ferguson Late Late Show appearance and the rest of the IMDB info so far as it is information that is really good original source material that can be used for this article, but really doesn't have much to do with the topic at the moment. --Robert Horning (talk) 10:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017

Let me get acces to tour editing pl im å big fan of minecraft. Caleb brown (talk) 09:52, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Bishonen | talk 15:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2017

I think "Residence" should be changed to Stockholm. According to Markus himself, he spends a "large majority" in his apartment in Stockholm and uses his house in LA for "vacations and parties". Here is the Reddit comment where he wrote this, it's in Swedish though: https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/5tywxx/disney_bryter_med_pewdiepie_efter_grova_skämt_om/ddqgtet/ 2.248.176.164 (talk) 23:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

 Not done While interesting, Reddit threads do not generally meet the standards for what are considered reliable sources and therefore are not usually accepted to support changes under the biographies policy. Thank you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I understand, though it's definitely his own account, which he has proven multiple times. Can you at least add a "Citation needed" on his residence? 2.248.176.164 (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2017

Can Stockholm be added as residence alongside Beverly Hills? Markus owns the most expensive flat in Stockholm

He also said on his Reddit account that he spends a "large majority" of his time in Stockholm and only uses his American house for "vacations and parties", but Reddit is apparently not a good enough source despite it being confirmed as his account, but I respect this. 2.248.176.164 (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The article doesn't clearly say that he's moved in to the flat. Just that he bought it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:08, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

But the source for him living in Beverly Hills says the exact same thing. 2.248.176.164 (talk) 20:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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There is a reference to Skyrim's Notched Pickaxe. They should also be a reference to Notched Axe from The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth game, which is also named after him. Source: https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Notched_Axe

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

References to Notch were removed from Minecraft

References to him were removed from Minecraft because of his backward views on stuff.151.213.211.117 (talk) 01:42, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

we dont know why they were removed (but guesses are easy). I've added this at least for now but that we're waiting for MS to comment. --Masem (t) 01:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request, 29 March 2019

1. Please remove the speculation about Microsoft's motive. The Kotaku writer does not even say "I believe it is because of this."
2. Accordingly, please move the paragraph under the "Minecraft" section, because it is about the development of Minecraft, according to the facts on hand. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 07:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Removal of BLP Primary Sources

I recommend that the primary sources tag on this article should be removed. Out of 40+ references, only 10 of them are primary sources - clearly the majority are 3rd party.

Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not about majority, it's about having them at all. Ideally, we want 0 primary sources. We want to replace them with reliable independent secondary sources, or remove them altogether. Twitter posts is something we want to avoid, but so far no one has invested the time to improve the sourcing. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why basic primary sources for things like a birth day would be an issue. WP:BLPPRIMARY doesn't seem to forbid them, just the usual cautions plus a few examples about public records that should not be used. Almost all of the primary sources deal with just a couple of basic facts, birth day, place of birth, and twitter handle (which is an important alias that came directly from twitter). -- ferret (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Then we need to apply the tag to the article on J. K. Rowling, because it uses over 10 primary sources as references, including her personal blog and tweets. Or, we can agree that it is about majority. Your call. Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much. It got the FA star way back in 2007, and the standards have increased a lot since then. In fact, at the time of promotion, there weren't many primary sources. Most new ones were added since. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

(bump) I didn't check to see how the article was in 2017, but as it stands now, it's all primary sources all the time. Wikipedia:PRIMARYNEWS has some surprising facts: newspaper and magazine stories, such as contemporary accounts, eye-witness reports, investigative reports, interviews, etc., are primary sources. Secondary sources would be those which provide analysis, and are often written long after the fact. So in reality, pretty much all of our BLPs deserve a "{{Primary sources}}" tag. This is affirmed by the documentation for the template. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 07:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Twitter controversies undue?

This biography seems too high-profile to mention a few Twitter stories which were mentioned in one or two RS each. wumbolo ^^^ 07:31, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

It's notable to mention it. There doesn't need to be paragraph after paragraph of everything controversial he's said. But the page should give the impression that he's stirred up some trouble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LebanoGranado (talk • contribs) 13:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

If all that came out of his twitter posts were a couple RSes that noted the issue, that's far too trivial on a BLP to include. --Masem (t) 13:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I know User:Wumbolo just removed some unnecessary language here, though I do want to point out that Microsoft has explicitly said that Notch is not part of the 10th aniversary for his social media behavior which does not align with MS or Mojang, and this has been included and sourced in the article. Specific tweets of issue are not necessary. --Masem (t) 23:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2019

Add 'The Binding of Isaac' Pop culture reference. source: https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Notched_Axe DrDagz (talk) 10:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We cannot use user-generated Wiki as a source. Good sources for video games are listed here. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Racism

"In November 2017, Persson was criticized for posting a tweet that read, "It's ok to be white." In follow-up tweets, he said he believed privilege is a "made up metric." Critics of Persson said his message was "tone-deaf" and "ignorant"; The Root called the tweets a "white-privilege meltdown."[41]"

This is racist. It's completely disregarding his message on account of his skin color. I feel like the last sentence should be removed.

~~Bob~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:5100:3600:80C1:7E81:5E14:F018 (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

It may be, but the article is merely quoting Notch's critics, not making their assertions itself. There's no reason for these sentences to be removed. 24.228.219.121 (talk) 01:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

A couple changes

Firstly, this sentence:

Later in June 2017, he tweeted in support of a heterosexual pride day, calling opponents to the idea cunts and suggesting that they should be shot.

I think "cunts" should be in quotation marks. Not having it in quotes might also be technically correct, but I think the inclusion of quotes might make it seem more professional and encyclopedic, and more in line with Wikipedia's style.

This next part I know for sure is wrong:

Persson has been written about extensively by Linus Larsson [sv] and Daniel Goldberg [sv] in Minecraft and Minecraft, Second Edition, the English language translations have been published by Seven Stories Press.

This sentence consists of two separate clauses joined into one without the use of a semicolon, which is definitely incorrect. A semicolon should be used here or it should be made into two separate sentences, such as:

Persson has been written about extensively by Linus Larsson [sv] and Daniel Goldberg [sv] in Minecraft and Minecraft, Second Edition; the English language translations have been published by Seven Stories Press.

OR

Persson has been written about extensively by Linus Larsson [sv] and Daniel Goldberg [sv] in Minecraft and Minecraft, Second Edition. The English language translations have been published by Seven Stories Press.

24.228.219.121 (talk) 01:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I have corrected both as well as a few other additional things that should be quoted , due to the same concern. --Masem (t) 01:23, 11 July 2019 (UTC)