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A fact from Marian and Holy Trinity columns appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 January 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Marian column on which Our Lady stands on Piazza Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome originally supported the vault of the Basilica of Constantine at the Roman Forum and was the only one such column to survive the Basilica's destruction in an earthquake?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/January.

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Olomouc

Photos of another column in Olomouc:

Marian Column in Lower Square (Dolní náměstí) in Olomouc
Marian Column in Lower Square (Dolní náměstí) in Olomouc

--Snek01 19:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The image page information places this Marian column at Olomouc. Does Olomouc have this Marian column as well as the Holy Trinity column? Are the Wikipedia images incorrect? They show a different monument at Olomouc. --Wetman 18:41, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are two different colluns in Olomouc. There is big Holy Trinity column in Olomouc at Upper square and there is another small Marian column at Lower square. --Snek01 08:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what is more, they were being built at the same time by the same architect Wenzel Render. The city council asked him to build the Marian column at Lower Square, but he considered the project too modest and decided to build one more. Jan.Kamenicek 22:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Make that clear in the article for folks like me! --Wetman 23:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote the location of the Holy Trinity Column in Olomouc and the Marian column in Prague (because there are also two more columns) more precisely and added also some information to the pictures of the Marian column in Olomouc above. Jan.Kamenicek 18:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 November 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 09:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marian and Holy Trinity columns → Plague column – Several reasons:

The proposed name is shorter and simpler
Whatlinkshere includes a lot of inlinks of the form [[Marian and Holy Trinity columns|plague column]]
according to the article itself, columns were dedicated to various saints, not just Mary and/or the Trinity.
Most Google Scholar links for Holy Trinity Column and Marian Column refer specifically to Holy Trinity Column in Olomouc and the Marian Column in Prague Old Town Square, whereas "Plague column" is about as common as those two put together and has a wider variety of referends jnestorius^(talk) 14:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the following reasons:

ad 2) Many of these columns (especially Marian columns) are plague columns, i. e. they were erected to thank for ending a plague, but not all of them (such as the one at Piazza Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome).

ad 3) typical dedication of these columns was to Mary or Trinity, though there are exceptions, which is mentioned in the article.

ad 4) I cannot speak for Google scholar, but there are many columns of this type which are not plague columns. Speaking about Olomouc, there are even two non-plague columns (the other one can be seen at Commons:Category:Holy Trinity column in Černovír (Olomouc)). Marian column at Marienplatz in Munich celebrates end of Swedish occupation. And so on...

--Jan Kameníček (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If not all are Marian or Trinity then that's just as much an exception as not all being plague. On what basis are Spires of Naples relegated to "See also" rather than being discussed in the article? Some more suggested renames: Catholic monumental column or Catholic votive column. jnestorius^(talk) 05:06, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Christian practice of erecting a column topped with a statue of the Virgin Mary dates back at least to the 10th century (in Clermont-Ferrand in France) : ???

The Christian practice of erecting a column topped with a statue of the Virgin Mary dates back at least to the 10th century (in Clermont-Ferrand in France): This sentence should be removed from the article . A statue of the Virgin Mary did exist in Clermont-Ferrand in the 10th century, but it was not on top of a column. It decorated the altar of the romanesque cathedral but it was destroyed at the time of the French Revolution.^[1] ^[2] ^[3]. In my opinion, the first Marian columns were erected in the 17th century after the Counter Reformation. Before that period there were statues of the Virgin of course, but they were not gigantic like those ones on columns.--Pimprenel (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ La vierge d’Etienne II
^ La cathédrale romane, statue de la vierge. "Cathédrale Notre-Dame". Centre France Pays d'Auvergne.
^ Courtillé, Anne (1994). La cathédrale de Clermont (ED CREER ed.). p. 14-15.

--Pimprenel (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] La vierge d’Etienne II

[2] La cathédrale romane, statue de la vierge. "Cathédrale Notre-Dame". Centre France Pays d'Auvergne.

[3] Courtillé, Anne (1994). La cathédrale de Clermont (ED CREER ed.). p. 14-15.

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