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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: I actually created the article for Maria Kovalevska on 1 December 2023, but held off on nominating her as I thought this hook would work better as a multi-article nomination. If this is a problem for newness (I couldn't find any specifics about multi-noms in the guidelines), then I can withdraw the nomination. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear. Nominator is asking for permission to present Maria Kovalevska, which was created on 1 December 2023 as a featured link in a 3-article hook. Here are the newness summaries:
Nadia Smyrnytska 1558 characters created on Jan 25 (all good)
I'm happy to do more reviews to satisfy QPQ if that's the case. I think guidelines on multi-article nominations need to be better established, as I'm still rather confused as to how I was supposed to go about this. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I asked in the talk page and found out that it is actually mentioned in WP:QPQ, I must have missed it while looking through the guidelines. I have now reviewed two other articles, in order to bring QPQ up to the line for this nomination. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Seven weeks late is well beyond what can be accepted via IAR. That link cannot be in bold font. On the plus side, it means that only two QPQs are required. Schwede6615:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already done the other QPQs. I'd understand a late article being rejected as a standalone nomination. But as part of a multi-nomination where it was an action that these three women took together, I still think they all need to be bold. It would end up looking odd to remove the bold formatting for just one of them. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there was an ec, but the ruling is that the December article can not run as a featured (bolded) article. You will have a QPQ review in the bank for future use. I would suggest submitting an ALT hook. I realize it may be the exact same with debolding, but since you may want to rearrange or rephrase, I am asking you to formally repropose a new hook for consideration.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grnrchst, this has happened with multihook nominations in the past, when one or more of the articles have been rejected for various reasons, from age to insufficient length to excessive duplication between the nominated articles (duplicated text can only be counted toward one of the articles): the non-bold link is a way to include the article that, for whatever reason, did not qualify for DYK. It would probably look less odd if the hook were reordered so Maria Kovalevska is listed third of the three women; that decision is up to you. I do think it's better to include all three women rather than omit Kovalevska entirely; her article will get some attention due to the link. I'm sorry that things didn't work out this time for that one article. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'm not happy about it but here's an ALT with Kovalevska de-bolded and rearranged:
Also be advised that the following is redundant content:
"In protest against the abuse of imprisoned women in Kara, she committed suicide in November 1889,[4] alongside Nadezhda Sigida and fellow Ukrainian revolutionaries Maria Kovalevska and Maria Kalyuzhna." (201 characters) in Nadia Smyrnytska
"In November 1889, Kalyuzhnaya committed suicide by poisoning together with Sigida, Kovalevska and Smyrnytska, in protest against the abuse of women by the prison authorities." (174 characters) in Maria Kalyuzhnaya
As we have experienced the rules for multiple hooks are not clear. It is my understanding that you are shooting for 100 characters, plus characters for each additional featured link. Thus, I think we are shooting for 117 characters at most. ALT 6 is 183, whereas ALT 4 is 129, which is within striking distance of 117.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure where you're getting the 100 character limit from. WP:DYKMOS is very specific that hooks have a maximum limit of 200 characters. I don't care if ALT4 is shorter, it's lacking vital information. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess so. My last comment was kind of a question, but I can go forward and approve it as is.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)