Talk:Mangalorean Catholics/GA1

GA Review2

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I will reviewing the article. Full review in a day or 2.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Overall, an almost good article but few big faults:

• Image:Genelia D'Souza.jpg does not have a proper licnese, possible copyright violation.
  • Removed the Image. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 18:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Image:English-konkani Dictionary (2001).JPG and Image:Mangalorean Catholic Association Of Sydney (MCAS) logo.jpg: fair rationale is questionable. "Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" is violated
• Reliability of foll. is questionable
  • http://www.mangalorecatholics.org/mangalorediocese/amkcps/intro.asp, the reference given in the site for the info is equally unreliable
    • I don't find any reasons why this site should be treated unreliable. The Reference given is M. V. Kamath's article on the community. Madhav Vittal Kamath is the chairman of Prasar Bharati and a leading columnist of India. He has been the editor of several reputed newspapers. Why can't his research be considered reliable? Anyway, the site and the organization AMKCPS has basically been established by the Diocese of Mangalore. It has to be considered reliable. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 18:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It says "Ref. MV KAMATH Publication: indianfo.com" The relaiblity of indianfo.com is questioned. A direct book/newspaper ref from M.V. Kamath would be definitely considered RS.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• • http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/exclusive_arch.asp?ex_id=726
    • The reasons for its reliability are:
• Daijiworld is an newspaper (e-paper). According to Wiki policies, they are reliable.
• It has its own office in Mangalore and some other places. This means it is well established.
• It's full name is Daijiworld Media Pvt Ltd Mangalore. That means it's a company.
• It has also an internet TV – TVDAIJIWORLD (http://www.daijiworld.com/page.asp?pno=1)

This site had already been proved reliable on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 18#Daijiworld.Com (http://www.daijiworld.com/). It was carefully analyzed before adding. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 18:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I still doubt http://www.daijiworld.com/home.asp. It just has two offices, one at Mangalore and another at Udupi. Not an established national or local printed newspaper. "For information about academic topics, such as physics or ancient history, scholarly sources are preferred over news stories. Newspapers tend to misrepresent results, leaving out crucial details and reporting discoveries out of context. For example, news reports often fail to adequately report methodology, errors, risks, and costs associated with a new scientific result or medical treatment." Here, references are used for the history part. Historians or religious scholars or Indologists will be preferred. Though I'll leave these out for other wiki-editors to decide for themselves.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Strongly Disagree: The population of the community doesn't cross even a million. Perhaps, we don't have enough sources for the community. Since, this is a Mangalore based site, this site covers more details of the Mangalorean Catholic community than any national newspaper can cover. For example, the research by Cricinfo can be considered 100% reliable for cricket. But can it;s research be considered reliable for Football, Hockey. Well, the answer is No. Similarly, Daijiworld's research can be considered very much reliable for Mangalore related topics. At the same time, it's research on Bengali people's history or any other such thing may be questioned. But as far as this page is concerned, this site is absolutely reliable. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

This site is also used in the Mangalore article, a featured article and this was accepted there as a RS for contentious claims during the FAC. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/10064
    • Perhaps you mistook this site for a blog entry. Before a few days, the Goa and Mangolorean article was existing at http://www.indiacatholic.com/goaandmangolorean.htm. The article was written by Mr. Joe Lobo, the President of the Indian Catholic Association in Florida. The organization is quite reliable. If you check it now, a strange Japanese site appears. A blogger had copied the entire contents of the article and preserved it here. That's why I just used it here. It's not a blog. Kensplanet^Talk

_{Contributions} 18:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anything posted on yahoo groups can be considered RS. I could not read an article at http://www.indiacatholic.com/goaandmangolorean.htm. A direct reference though can be considered RS. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 04:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I have modified it. See if it works. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• • http://www.kcabangalore.in/History.html
    • Done. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/achievers_view.asp?a_id=28 (dead link)
    • Nope. It's not a dead link. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.dioceseofmangalore.org/history1.asp The tone is religious (philosophical) than scholarly, "Man is the child of his environment. He is very much made by his geographical setting. In order to know the people of South Kanara, their character, outlook and reactions, one should study their natural environment, the forces that have shaped them."
  • http://www.theindiancatholic.com/konkanichristians.asp
    • Well, I never thought that this site will ever be questioned. Indian Catholic (http://www.theindiancatholic.com/about_us.asp) is the news site of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India (http://www.cbcisite.com/). The Catholic Bishops' Conference of India is a link between the Roman Catholic Church and the Catholic Church in India. Very much reliable; as much as the Geological Survey of India or the Archaological Survey of India. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 16:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/exclusive_arch.asp?ex_id=400
    • Daiji World is considered very much reliable for this article. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dmang.html
  • http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=32675&n_tit=News+headlines
    • Daiji World is considered very much reliable for this article. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.daijiworld.com/chan/exclusive_arch.asp?ex_id=129
    • Daiji World is considered very much reliable for this article. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=42855&n_tit=Mangalore%3A+Guinness+Adjudicator+Hopeful+of+Certifying+Konkani+Nirantari
    • Daiji World is considered very much reliable for this article. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
  • "The Tradition of Voviyo
  • http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=632
    • If you check the usage of Mangalorean.Com, you'll find that this site is only used in the Organization section. It is basically just used to prove that the mentioned Organizations exist. It just covers the celebration of a festival by different Organizations. That's it's job being a Newspaper (e-paper). In a way, it just proves that such organizations exist and we ae not posting our own organizations. All are absolutely non-contentious claims; not at all used to cite historical claim etc...For such non-contentious claims, the site has been proved reliable at Reliable Sources Noticeboard at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 17#Mangalorean.Com (http://mangalorean.com/index.php). The site has been used since we won't have any national newspapers publishing such events. We have to rely on such local newspapers then. This site is also used in the Mangalore article, a featured article and this was accepted there as a RS for non-contentious claims during the FAC. Kensplanet^Talk_{Contributions} 15:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

--Redtigerxyz (talk) 17:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

• Population Stats need references.
• "According to Michael Lobo, an Indian genealogist, the Mangalorean Catholic community has the distinction of being the only community in the world to possess its own genealogical encyclopaedia. This genealogical Encyclopaedia, currently exceeding 6000 pages, is probably the only encyclopedia of its kind in existence." Lobo's views promote his own book - the Encyclopaedia,, this is not NEutral.

--Redtigerxyz (talk) 17:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)