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Requested move 13 December 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus leans towards article contents and there’s no agreement in changing the title of the page. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 16:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Luso-AfricansPortuguese-speaking Africans or Lusophone Africans – Luso-Africans is the literal translation of luso-africanos, interwiki of Portuguese Africans. While a hatnote is enough, the title can be more accurately specific. Lusophone (blared) seems to be a term avoided in titles, see intitle:Lusophone and Special:PrefixIndex/Lusophone.

Compare Portuguese-speaking African countries (redirected from Lusophone Africa) plus Special:PrefixIndex/Hispanophone, Special:PrefixIndex/Anglophone (see Anglophone Quebecers (redirect)), and Special:PrefixIndex/Francophone (see French Africa and Francophone Canadians). LIrala (talk) 02:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 19:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Africa, WikiProject Portugal, and WikiProject Ethnic groups have been notified of this discussion. LIrala (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak support oppose change of article scope - although I am unsure of whether the definition for this topic needs to include Mestiço as Wikidata has the shortdesc "Mestiço people in Africa who speak Portuguese", but Mestiço is not mentioned in the article, so I'm questioning whether that should be changed to a more generic one. If this is moved as intended, the shortdesc can probably be set to None. edit changed to weak support as the definition of the topic seems to rely on ancestry, which means this is technically a change in scope - I don't see a huge problem with it as the article can be edited easily enough, but if a better title happens to come up I'll consider it ASUKITE 17:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the justification for this move request seems to stem from applying a literal translation of the term into Portuguese and them observing that the Portuguese page pt:Luso-africanos refers to ethnic Portuguese with origins in Africa, which is a different topic - Portuguese Africans. But the sources in this article and a casual Google search seem to indicate that whatever the Portuguese-language situation, in English "Luso-Africans" refers primarily to this ethnic group of possibly mixed-ethnicity Africans, perhaps not dissimilar to the Coloureds in South Africa. So not only is a change not particularly necessary according to the English common name for this, the proposed titles are also a big change in scope since they focus on language rather than ethnicity.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that echoes my concern that the move would change the scope of the article, I think I'm sufficiently convinced that the proposed title is not the right choice, and I've changed my reply to reflect that. ASUKITE 21:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.