Talk:Lumpers and splitters

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. For the time being, I have altered the lede to reflect the status quo; as this is a content consideration and not part of the close, please feel free to continue to discuss or alter it as necessary. Dekimasuよ! 04:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lumpers and splitters → Lumping and splitting – "Lumping" and "splitting" are the actual actions, whereas "lumpers" and "splitters" are merely colloquial names for people conducting the actions. To define "lumpers" and "splitters", we must first define "lumping" and "splitting". The lede section of the article already does exactly that, which is why "lumping" and "splitting" are boldface. I suggest moving the article to emphasize "lumping" and "splitting" as the main terms being defined, and let the article continue to explain "lumpers" and "splitters" as an afterthought of sorts. – voidxor ^{(talk | contrib)} 00:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Seems straightforward enough.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 01:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How does Lump and split compare? In a general Google search "Lump and split" got more results but when I checked with books "Lumping and splitting" got more results. Gregkaye ✍♪ 14:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, almost all of the results when searching "lump and split" has to do with the turn-of-phrase, rather than about this specific phenomenon in classification systems. The first result for instance is about budgeting for a trip. Same with Google book results. So it's not a valid alternative name, I would think.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 16:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support: We prefer gerund titles here at Wikipedia. Red Slash 00:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose All the classic definitional quotes appear to use the "lumpers" and "splitters" phrasing... AnonMoos (talk) 18:05, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and rewrite the lead to follow Darwin's original. Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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A couple examples in the biology section would help

Obviously, I should provide such examples myself, but can't get to that right now and I didn't want to let the thought go that it really could use some examples. Thanks! Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 14:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lumpers and splitters in mathematics

Mathematicians like Tim Gowers and Freeman Dyson have written about a distinction in mathematicians between those who prefer to build overarching theories that apply far and wide, vs. those who prefer to attack individual problems, using any fine details available[1][2]. In Dyson's eloquent words,

Some mathematicians are birds, others are frogs. Birds fly high in the air and survey broad vistas of mathematics out to the far horizon. They delight in concepts that unify our thinking and bring together diverse problems from different parts of the landscape. Frogs live in the mud below and see only the flowers that grow nearby. They delight in the details of particular objects, and they solve problems one at a time. I happen to be a frog, but many of my best friends are birds. The main theme of my talk tonight is this. Mathematics needs both birds and frogs. Mathematics is rich and beautiful because birds give it broad visions and frogs give it intricate details. Mathematics is both great art and important science, because it combines generality of concepts with depth of structures. It is stupid to claim that birds are better than frogs because they see farther, or that frogs are better than birds because they see deeper. The world of mathematics is both broad and deep, and we need birds and frogs working together to explore it.

This seems to have a place in Lumpers and splitters#Usage in various fields.

A Lesbian (talk) 15:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]