Talk:Luigi Mangione

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Redirect or article?

Too early to tell, but an article on him may be written on him in the future just because of the "popularity" of the happening. Alexysun (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think an article is likely (if he is the perp and is convincted) in the future but as of now it's way to soon.★Trekker (talk) 14:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it time to create an article for Luigi Mangione?

A page for Dylann Roof was created on June 18, 2015, the day after the Charleston Church Shooting and his arrest.

As of today, Wikipedia is not allowing the creation of a Luigi Mangione page, but is instead diverting to the Killing of Brian Thompson page. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 16:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid duplication, I'd suggest you pick a single forum for your discussion. Since someone has replied to you at Talk:Killing of Brian Thompson, I suggest you confine the discussion there. 331dot (talk) 17:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated over on the Talk:Killing of Brian Thompson talk page, I'm a bit surprised that Mangione doesn't have his own article, considering Thomas Matthew Crooks, who is only notable because of the failed Trump assassination attempt, has one. Some1 (talk) 02:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Dylann Roof article should not have been created at that time per WP:PERPETRATOR. It is possible that a Luigi Mangione page could be created in the future but per the policy, this would be when the coverage is not contemporaneous and when there is an actual conviction. Wafflefrites (talk) 02:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming Luigi is indeed the perpetrator, he may deserve an article for the second reason given in WP:PERPETRATOR, which is "The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy". Mangione's motivations have been a large talking point amongst many articles and sources. Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 03:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article being blanked on account of an uncompleted deletion discussion about a different draft article?

This doesn't make any sense. -- 71.174.73.210 (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because the subject of this article and the draft article are the same. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's hijacking the process in a confusing way. There's no indication on this article that there is even a deletion discussion ongoing, and WP:MfD is the wrong place to discuss deleting an article in mainspace. -- 71.174.73.210 (talk) 19:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this article for now, pending new developments

Just saw this independent article on the suspect, and of course I do not immediately recommend DELETE for the sake of deletion, or a blank approval for KEEP for the sake of keeping...because we don't lack such precedents as well as similar cases as to whether to create a separate article on a suspect---

Some raised the Dylann Roof's case, but of course that was back in 2015, so probably the rules back then at Wikipedia were much more lenient than now.

On not creating a separate article on suspect, well, the 2022 U. of Idaho killings(2022 University of Idaho killings#Accused) can give us some insights---one whole section of the talk really focused on whether to create an entry for Bryan Kohberger, but of course his case dragged on ever since Jan 2023 when he was extradited to Idaho from Pennsylvania. In that case, of course Bryan waived his right to the extradition, and did not choose to fight it like Luigi is doing now.

On infamous cases throughout the history, one could be like Zodiac Killer(Zodiac Killer), all the list of suspects(including one Arthur Leigh Allen) is within a separate article, but a section itself branching out from the main entry, therefore no separate articles on any of those suspects; Another could be like D. B. Cooper(D. B. Cooper)---though the list of suspects is much longer, but since nobody is identified, so no separate articles on any of them, but since the case is very infamous, so the case stands despite no identified suspect as we speak(of course there're rumors throughout the years claiming such and such a person is the suspect for real, and some of them still alive).

Outside of this article, similar discussions on whether to create a separate article or a brand new entry could be seen in, say, Russian Invasion of Ukraine, because sometimes we don't know whether it's worth creating a whole new article for a battle, a campaign, or an offensive, or whether to even rename them.

Therefore, back to Luigi Mangione's article, I'd say keep it for now, but we can wait for another year or two to decide its fate...no need to rush now, any more than NY Giants releasing Daniel Jones in a hurry and letting Saquon Barkley go and this and that(and we can see what happens to Giants now)... Bf0325 (talk) 23:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this article very useful. [[Comfr (talk) 04:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)]][reply]

I believe this article on Mangione is just a stretched out summarization for the sake of having an article of the suspect. Everything is already summarized on the main article and a majority of it seems copied and pasted as, again, another reason to have a main article of Mangione.

The reason D.B. Cooper is a separate article is because Cooper's alias is known for his evasion of law enforcement than the incident of him hijacking the aircraft, though this can be debated on.

There has also been a comparison to have this article in the way Dylann Roof had been during the Charleston church shooting. I think it's an odd comparison as Mangione targeted one person in response to his anger with the healthcare system, and Roof targeting people of color in response to his White supremacy. I don't think this justifies a separate article. Vibrioidxire (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you didn't elaborate on whether Luigi Mangione should follow Bryan Kohberger's suit despite I mentioned that I noticed such discussion under that case's Talk(Talk:2022 University of Idaho killings#We should immediately remove the name of accused and section about him)... Bf0325 (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manifesto

Have any supposed copies of his manifesto met the editorial standards of Wikipedia? Apyrrypa (talk) 10:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is normally done in instances like this is an external link is found of the text, and we put a link to it in the External Links Section. Kingturtle = (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that Luigi Mangione is added with one charge of being a terrorist by NYC, perhaps one day we may be able to put either a link containing the full text or rather copy, paste, and quote in full in Wikipedia entry---of course Luigi's 3-pg manifesto is much shorter than Unabomber's book... 2607:F470:34:2101:1822:98B5:5F3:E958 (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History merge

My draft Draft:Luigi Mangione was copied and paste into this article, and because of that I feel like there should be a history merge. PopularGames (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~:I agree. A history merge would be a sensible and appropriate move. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 00:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

A history merge is not appropriate as there are WP:Parallel histories. The copy from the draft space is already properly attributed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Thanks for clarifying. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Father dying when he was 11

Regarding this edit: https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Luigi_Mangione&diff=1263655380&oldid=1263655227 Luigi’s father, Louis Mangione, is not dead. The source talks about Nicholas Mangione’s father dying when Nicholas was 11. Nicholas is Luigi’s grandfather. Wafflefrites (talk) 22:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Create an article for Luigi Mangione

I believe there should be an article created. Although the circumstances are not yet clear, Wikipedia is a source that many use when researching topics. With the news lately, there should be an article with more information on Mangione as it will help (mainly students) gather more information on the individual as well as produce their own articles on the topic with accurate information. 2600:4808:4972:3C00:8C6E:8C6:F1D2:C573 (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's already an article, and it's the one whose talk page you posted this on. If you would like to argue that this article should be kept rather than deleted, please access the Articles for Deletion discussion of this page. It's linked at the top. Also, Wikipedia is not a news source. guninvalid (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]