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Loyal Order of Moose was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
February 15, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
September 30, 2018	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Loyal Order of Moose

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Result: Delist Nuetrality concerns. Not so sure that the tag bombing is necessary, but they also need to be addressed before renomination AIRcorn (talk) 01:50, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not give sufficient weight to the Moose Lodge's history of racial and gender discrimination. A search of Google scholar and Newspapers.com shows that reliable sources give great weight to the discrimination issue, but this is barely reflected in the article. Until the discrimation section is substantially expanded, the article fails the WP:NPOV requirements in WP:GACR#4 — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 19:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

‘Sex discrimination’ is not an issue here. This is a men’s club. What needs expanding is the info on their racial policies. The intro states that they gave up segregation in the 1980’s but there is no citing of any source for this. The last mention of race issues is the Supreme Court upholding their right to do it. More needed. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:6976:E4A:B105:6F61 (talk) 22:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was the GA reviewer. The relevant GA criteria is "Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each." This criteria is about bias, not that the article is 100% complete in covering all appropriate areas. Similar to my comment in the review...another area for expansion would be coverage of what happens at their facilities and activities. But again, did not see areas that could use expansion as a reason to deny GA. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article heavily relies on connected sources. Until we can remove the {{thirdparty}} cleanup tag, we should remove good article status. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 21:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The main issue with the article is the inclusion of a long list of notable members. This should be deleted or spun off into List of Loyal Order of Moose members. b ui dhe (formerly Catrìona) 06:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that the article needs to discuss the organization's history of racial discrimination in more detail. The google scholar search throws up a number of results, enough that WP:DUE requires more than a discussion of one incident. This isn't a concern so much about length, as about substance; what's already in the article could be pruned. Neutrality is a core policy, and a failure to meet it is a criterion to remove GA status; but such a removal need not be immediate. If the nominator, or anyone else, is willing to address this concern while the reassessment remains open, there's no reason to assume that the article needs to be delisted. Vanamonde (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did a search and didn't find much. It appears that they just followed the evolution of US society.....discrimination that faded out as the civil rights act took hold. One notable instance of an exclusion in 1972 that was covered in the article and another instance in 1994 where they made no claim to exclude or be able to exclude based on race, but where such was suspected. North8000 (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination

The Moose Organization is open to every person regardless of race, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or gender. Moose Organizations do not discriminate against anyone who is of good character. Applicants must have a sponsor. 2600:1702:4870:7CD0:823C:C7BA:746F:6505 (talk) 00:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changes needed here (and possibly relate pages) for change to Unified Moose

Please see https://www.mooseintl.org/one-moose-a-reality/ and related pages. Naraht (talk) 14:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]