Talk:Loving-kindness

Merge proposal

It seems that chesed and loving-kindness cover the same ground. Since articles are generally about concepts, not terms, having two articles is a form of content forkery. The chesed article is more developed, but it seems that loving-kindness is the more generalized (and common) term. Thoughts? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 01:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to reply to you on this, but hope this works.

Loving-kindness is a term in Buddhism, metta, and honestly, the page has been kind of hijacked by Christians and Bahai. As it stands now with chesed as a "See Also" is good. The chesed article should link to the loving-kindness one if it does not already. ~sacca7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacca7 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like metta is its own page and is also well-developed. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 20:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I think - don't merge, unless Agape, Mettā and other articles were also joined together here (No, it would mangle everything together). The conception of loving-kindness in different traditions has different connotations etc. I think the best recommendation would be for each tradition to have its specialised page (Agape for Christianity, Mettā for Buddhism, Chesed for Judaism...), while this page Loving-kindness could act as a brief overview of all traditions. This also replies to Sacca7's view above, that this page has been hijacked by Christians and Bahai - I don't think it has, as the page Mettā is Buddhism's specialised conception, and loving-kindness is a translated term used also in Christianity, Bahai, Judaism etc. (A further reason not to merge is that unfortunately Chesed page joins together 2 pages that should be separated: Chesed-ethical in Judaism and Chesed (Kabbalah)-esoteric mysticism. I think they were once separate, as I wrote on Talk:Chesed) April8 (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I should add Wikiproject Judaism and Wikiproject Kabbalah templates to this talk page above - it would get a bit overcrowded! This page, rather, should remain a general overview-index, linking to all the specialised religious traditions particular pages. April8 (talk) 17:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I think agape would be a stretch to include. Still, I like the idea of using this article as an overview/disambiguation of related concepts in different religious traditions. If some of these traditions don't have their own page, the information on them can go here until it's developed enough for its own page. That would put it in the realm of several wikiprojects— Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 17:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Notice that I added a Wikipedia:Splitting of article discussion on Chesed yesterday: 1) general Chesed -Jewish ethics, and 2) esoteric Chesed (Kabbalah)-Divine manifestation page. They really need separate articles, as I explained on the talk page (as I think they once were). This Loving-kindness page: I'm wondering whether it should be restricted to religious conceptions. Is loving-kindness also a form of Philosophical Ethics? Haven't some non-theists advocated loving-kindness? (like in Buddhism, but without supernatural beliefs) Or does the nuance of the term presuppose a more religious conception of humanity? Might loving-kindness also be directed to animals etc? If it does presuppose a religious reverance for the welfare of the other person, haven't some philosophers like Hegel also possesed this, as their metaphysics incorporated religious reverance? In Judaism, the philosophical ethics of loving-kindness was probably best articulated by Martin Buber. Though non-practicing of Jewish religious tradition, his theology articulates Jewish values. His "I and Thou" vs. "I and It" seeks reverential dialogue with the other, whether the Divine Other, or the human other - through seeing the Divine in the human other. Following this line of enquirey, perhaps the page should be merged, rather, with eg. Ethics or Ethics in religion? Still, I like the idea of keeping this page as it is, as a separate index-overview of diverse religious (and philosophical???) conceptions of loving-kindness. As you say, if a particular religion's section grows into a full article, then it should become independent like Chesed, Agape and Mettā. Keeping Loving-kindness as its own article has the benefit of allowing the helpful term its own wikipedia entry. Lastly, I'm wondering if there is a template that might be added to the page, also maybe with loving-kindness added in its contents (but only) if appropriate? Template:Ethics - too philosophical/not religious enough? Template:Religion topics - not about religious ethics. etc. April8 (talk) 17:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

As there is no consensus to merge, I am removing the merge tags from both pages. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Failed verification and OR?

@H.dryad: The source must use the phrase "loving-kindness". I don't see it in the cites you provided, did I miss it? Can you specifically identify the page? Further, website and blogs are non-RS. Let us stick with scholarly sources/translations. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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