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The Queen's Tiara – androgynous or intersex?

The Queen's Tiara is described as having an "androgyne" main character. Is this character actually intersex (biological), or presenting as androgynous (gender expression), or nonbinary (gender identity)? I can't find a source to confirm this character is actually intersex. Does anyone know? Of course the main character can be all of them at once, but let's not conflate gender identity, gender expression and sex characteristics! LanaK (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Literature about intersex be renamed and moved to Intersex literature.

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Literature about intersex → Intersex literature – See also Talk:Films_about_intersex#Requested_move_14_November_2024 and Talk:Television_works_about_intersex#Requested_move_18_November_2024. @Erik, Lewisguile, Spookyaki, and Theparties: WP:CONSISTENT with LGBTQ literature siblings. Web-julio (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Books has been notified of this discussion. Web-julio (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to intersex representation in literature. This is to be WP:CONSISTENT with intersex representation in film. Also WP:CONCISE. Theparties (talk) 17:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment - the problem with this proposal is that "intersex representation in literature" isn't the same as "Literature about intersex", and that this article actually covers both; factual literature relating to the phenomenon that is intersex, and intersex characters in fictional literature. Might be better to even split out this article, then rename - Alison ^talk 17:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The reason I didn't propose this way for Television is that "Intersex television" is strange, though Category:Lesbian-related_television implies it could be "Intersex-related television", which also isn't okay I guess.

And, for example, French Wikipedia (along several interwikis) distinguish(es) "LGBT themes in literature" from LGBT literature. Web-julio (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Intersex literature. Keep it simple. Lewisguile (talk) 17:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The current title is precise and accurately describes what this topic is about. Why the need to move? Intersex literature sounds just weird, because clearly the literature itself isn't intersex, but rather the subjects it describes. "Intersex representation in literature" would be an OK second choice, but honestly why are we doing this? THe status quo is just fine and dandy. — Amakuru (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support a move. A virtue of the proposed move is that (as far as I am aware) intersex is an adjective, so the current title is structurally equivalent to "Literature about transgender." (Right? When I check the related wiki articles, they all seem to use the full phrase "intersex people".) I lean toward "Intersex representation in literature". I think "intersex literature" could be acceptable (again by analogy, to transgender literature or lesbian literature). A quick peek at gscholar finds a paper saying I need to concur with Amato in saying that “[to] date, it cannot be said that a canon of intersex literature exists” (159) -- I take this as mixed evidence regarding the viability of "intersex literature": people are sort of discussing that topic, but they're discussing the lack of discussion. With any new title, I would also support a split into two articles, maybe "Intersex non-fiction" for the other one? Or "Non-fiction about intersex people" if that's accurate?

(my source: p. 119, "Of Pregnant Kings and Manly Landladies: Negotiating Intersex in Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Darkness", Mascha Helene Lange in 2019, citing Viola Amato, Intersex Narratives: Shifts in the Representation of Intersex Lives in North American Literature and Popular Culture from 2016). ~ L 🌸 (talk) 07:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nom. The current title is grammatically wrong, which is why the category was recently removed, along with some others, so it makes sense to rename the title as well. Raladic (talk) 05:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I agree, I was editing a template earlier and was shocked that this was still the title.

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 03:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]