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Did you know... that Hashim Abdul Halim served West Bengal as the Speaker of the House for 29 years before being replaced by Biman Banerjee in 2011?

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Copyvio?

As noted on Commons, works by the government are copyrighted for 60 years. As such, the reuse of the wording from this website qualifies as a copyvio. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Constitution of India, which originally determined the roles, was published in 1949. Thus, this Indian work is in the public domain in India because its copyright has expired. This governmental work, was published more than 60 years ago (that is before January 1, 1964). For more info, click here and check out Template:PD-India. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I've noted at the DYK nomination for this article, the current website does not host the constitution in its original form, but a derivative work which has been turned into prose. I believe that this is enough creative input to render the derivative work copyrighted. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but even if it is, I had changed it enough to be regarded as an article which would pass copyright. The only problem was with the huge number of occurrences of duplicated phrases such as "to the deputy speaker" which I do not believe can be fixed. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 04:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is possible to rephrase things further, to make the copyright status clearer. Order of clauses and whatnot. As has been noted numerous times, WP tries to be conservative when it comes to copyright. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You can see from this diff that the one on the left was a sure copyvio due to extremely close paraphrasing (the revision Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) marked {{copypaste}}), but the one on the right is not (the revision just before Crisco marked it for copyvio). Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 06:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate Detector notes that there is still a lot that could (and should) be rephrased. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried my best...would like to hear suggestions from your side. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 06:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From the first result in the duplication detector above, we could write something like this. "The Deputy Speaker presides in cases where the election takes place towards the end of a Vidhan Sabha. The candidates are voted on and decided, by division if necessary, in the order in which their motions are moved and seconded. Once a motion is carried, the person who is presiding declares the chosen candidate to be Speaker of the House, without latter motions being voted upon. Once the results are announced, the Chief Minister and Leader of the Opposition escort the Speaker elect to the Chair." Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a temp page Talk:Speaker of the West Bengal Legislative Assembly/Temp. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 07:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Newest report here Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 07:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still seems rather close. Not a copyvio, perhaps, but almost certainly close paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:00, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't be fixed further...have the redundant matches now are from two completely different parts of the page. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:00, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A copyright clerk is removing some of the text. A check shows that paraphrasing is better. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I can't fix it any further, and neither believe it should be. The automated duplicate detector even says that "the Constitution of India" is duplicated. How else is it to be referred (In know, "Indian constitution" but many Indians prefer the former)? Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:14, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is improbable. I didn't try the DD with four words because I knew the matches would be far more because it even matches terms (rather section headers) like "Term of Office" and even some info from the ref. I believe the editors should have the liberty of using such phrases like "may at any time" even though they are contained in the sources. It is impossible to change each and every word and have a clean DD. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need a clean DD, just one that shows no close paraphrasing. Obviously we aren't going to change "the Constitution of India" every time it shows up, but if the source says "he was one of the many signers of the Constitution of India" and our article says "he was one of the signers of the Constitution of India", that's close paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the removals of Minimac are concerned, he may have removed info in his first edit not knowing /Temp existed. And the second one, I do believe we can duplicate info from other articles. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Info, but not the wording. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How 'bout now? Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks better to me. I'd suggest contacting Minimac for confirmation, as s/he is more experienced. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]