Talk:List of programs broadcast by Sun TV (India)

Order of listing serials.. With importance to episode count and schedule

Timing slot and no of episode are very much important for a serial. Ur edit has no information on slot and episode count.. Removing episode count would lead to loss of information for viewers. Ppl are here looking for information.. Hence it is no need to sort alphabetical order. Adding an extra column of number of episodes won't harm the article page.. People would no where have the source to see the episode count. B103N48 (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

B103N48, I've personally got no real objection to adding the episode count. The issue around that is the count is maintained on the show article though and often not updated on the channel's list of shows, especially if it's carried by multiple networks. Having it in one place, the show, makes it easier to keep accurate. Having the count on shows that have ended makes good sense. For the ordering, my preference is to default it to alphabetical and note that with a sortable table, the reader can resort as needed. I'm looking at your version and honestly, I can't see any real order at all. If the episode count was added to the current layout, with everything else the same, would that work as a possible compromise? Noobie anonymous, what would you think? Ravensfire (talk) 20:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I've glanced at a couple of different examples and to what shouldn't be anyone's surprise, they're all over the place. A couple of examples from the US market generally have current shows sorted by first broadcast and previous shows sorted alphabetically. I chose those because they probably have the largest number of editors and attention of any similar list. List of programs broadcast by Colors has no discernible order for current but uses alphabetical for former. List of programs broadcast by Sony Entertainment Television has current drama sorted by first broadcast, but current reality by first broadcast descending (???) but the former shows all seem to be alphabetical. Something to think about. Ravensfire (talk) 20:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Category for these lists is Category:Lists of television series by network. Ravensfire (talk) 20:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I have slight opinion with the episode count. Usually the episode count is actually up-to-date only in the channels article page rather than in the individual show article(not updated mostly). Also there are cases where article page wont exist for few serials, and for new serials, also for serials where episode count is missing in the show article page.. In all the above 3 cases having the episode count in the channel's page is the only solution. Having the episode count for all serials in a single table will have better visualization.

For ordering, my version follows the order as how the serials are broadcasted on the TV. B103N48 (talk) 20:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I am very much okay with sorting the previous broadcast in alphabetical order.. But I would suggest to go for original broadcast order for current soap operas. B103N48 (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

B103N48, I'm disappointed you've continued to revert rather than wait for a consensus to develop. Please self-revert your edit, back to the status quo so we can work towards a good solution. You edit has been challenged, you need to respect that and follow the WP:BRD process. You are at three reverts right now, you need to read the page linked in the warning you were given. I'm not going to revert your edit as I'm hoping you'll self-revert and continue this in good-faith.

The sort order you prefer isn't found anywhere else, visually makes no sense and just isn't good. It needs to be either alphabetically or by first broadcast date.Ravensfire (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I have already told that I m completely ok with sorting by first broadcast date for current shows. And for your kind information the timeslot based sorting is found in many Wikipedia pages of suntv sister channels like suryatvx Geminitv, and udayatv.. Please go through those.. U can't blindly say it's not followed anywhere. Even in star Vijay the shows are neatly sorted based on noon and primetime slots.. It's noobie who changed everything. B103N48 (talk) 06:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

And you are saying my order doesn't make any sense visually. Wikipedia is not the place for visual appeal or neatness. It's for information.. Wat information u can get from an alphabeticall sorting.. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.. If serials are sorted based on timeslots or broadcast date we can get some information out of it. Visual appeal is not a matter here. B103N48 (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I have no problem in your view about mentioning episode count as said by User:Ravensfire. First please try to understand that as per WP:NOTVGUIDE, time slots should not be mentioned here and also not any edits not based on it, as Wikipedia is not a TV guide to specify time slots. Simply arranging based on time slot, what is the use. Your reference of other network list pages of Udaya, Gemini, Surya are totally in wrong format among which I updated Star Vijay alone with a better version being a constructive edit. Your reversion makes the article destructive reducing its quality drastically, which was evident specified in the template to be completely rewritten in that version. Either follow premier date order or alphabetical among which I chose and made it in alphabetical order. The previous versions were in a total random order being messy. There are certain Wikipedia stated policies,(here mainly MOS:TV and WP:NOTVGUIDE) which is to be followed while editing and not based on any article which may or may not be in a proper format.

And who said that Wikipedia doesn't see for neatness. Both neatness and way of presenting the contents with proper reliable references mainly matters and articles are even graded based on those as seen in the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Article_classification . Without being aware of nothing, please do not accuse anyone or violate Wikipedia's policies. In none of your statements, there is a proper justification related to Wikipedia policies. First, be clear and learn those properly before editing any article. Even, without edit war, you are free to discuss with any experienced editors if any doubts or discrepancies arouse while editing so that you too can become a well versed editor. Noobie anonymous (talk) 09:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Basically, this. Ravensfire (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@B103N48: I would probably add that just because some casual editors who are completely oblivious of WikiProject Television have done something one way at some Indian TV articles, doesn't mean that's the way the community prefers content to be presented. I'd probably listen to experienced editors like Ravensfire, who has been around long enough to have a sense for what the community wants its articles to look like. Note also, that copying problematic articles is how problems spread. It's more important to follow our content guidelines and listen to editors who know what they're doing. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ravensfire:, bringing you back to this discussion as a newly created account left a message on my talk page stating that there was a consensus to include episode counts. Wondering if that is the case as I do not see a consensus from the discussion above and was not involved. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The newly created account @Munthanam, created hours ago, I think this is a suckpuppet of @B103N48, maybe block ivading. Grabup (talk) 04:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I am sure. At this point I think SOCKS are just a part of life unfortunately. I do not want to keep reverting if there is consensus on this as I could be considered disruptive. I don't feel we need episode count unless there is some significance to it. Seems like the company would be the only one benefiting from listing these but that would be more of NOTTVGUIDE in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm mainly neutral on including episode counts here, but lean towards not. More patrolled articles like the big three networks in the US don't have the episode count and are really just lists. Looking at the discussion above, I don't see anything that I would call clear concensus one way or the other, so WP:BOLD changes are good. I'm certainly not going to support views from a sock (especially not of someone blocked for personal attacks).

On the merits of having them, as I said, I'm leaning no. Not supported by a source, rapidly changing data that's in multiple articles (the show article, List of longest-running Indian television series, here and probably others) and this is supposed to be a fairly basic list. And yes, socks are a part of life in this area of Wikipedia. Most annoying. Ravensfire (talk) 12:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2024

26544444t5 (talk) 02:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⸺(Random)staplers 07:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)