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Requested move 16 April 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 15:15, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]



– Compare, e.g., List of people named Daniel, List of people named David, List of people named Marie, List of people named Peter, List of people named Sandra, List of people named Sean, List of people named Susan, List of people named William. Several of these can also function as surnames, but the construction "people named" seems sufficient to indicate that this is usage as a given name, avoiding the awkward construction "people with given name", which feels like it is missing a "the". BD2412 T 04:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to either, and I suspect that this is something that will need a separate RM. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have initiated that discussion at Talk:List of people with surname Brown#Requested move 18 April 2021. BD2412 T 03:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this proposal.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While concise, this change results in titles which make it unclear whether "named" refers to a given, middle, surname, nickname, etc., so I would consider this incomplete. If instead the proposal would be to merge all name into single "List of people named -x-" pages, then I'd support. If instead these remain lists of people with the given name, then let that be reflected in the titles... and rename the outliers mentioned by OP to use this "given name" title. -- Netoholic @ 06:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is intuitive that "named" indicates the given name, otherwise, "surnamed" would not need to exist as a word. It does not seem particularly likely that any reader will expect a list of people by their middle names, unless the subject happens to be one who goes by that as if it were a given name. BD2412 T 06:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose List of people named Diego would not work, because surnames are not listed there, but rather at Diego (surname). Similiarly for List of people named Wilson, it is ambiguous with the existing List of people with surname Wilson. WP:APOLIST suggests the convention of "List of people with surname ..." and " List of people with given name ..."—Bagumba (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I do think the phrase "given name" is useful here. While it may seem intuitive to some that "named" refers to first name, this is a worldwide site, and our intuitions may not align. Therefore, the purpose of the page ought to be explicit. For example, on List of people with given name Stephen, someone just added B. S. Perera because their full name is Balasuriyage Steven Perera. If the proposed change were enacted, it would raise the question, "Is this person 'named' Steven?" However, I am open to other solutions such as List of people with the given name X. Thank you for this discussion and for trying to establish some consistency in this broad field of names. Kirby777 (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.