Talk:List of organizations that combat human trafficking

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of organizations opposing human trafficking → List of organizations that combat human trafficking – While the inclusion criteria for this list are fine, the title itself is not - since I assume the vast majority of organizations in the world oppose human trafficking. Other suggestions are welcome for a name which better captures the scope of this list - but simple "opposition" isn't enough, since that describes so many organizations, international bodies, governments, etc. Note: I have also nominated the category Category:Organizations opposed to human trafficking for renaming, but have put that nomination on hold pending the discussion here. Relisted Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 05:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC) Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other alternatives:

List of organizations that fight against human trafficking

List of anti-human trafficking organizations

all titles are regularly used in reliable sources. I think my preference is for List of organizations that combat human trafficking, since it avoids hyphen issues, and the idea of "combatting" is used in reliable sources: e.g. 1, 2, 3, 4--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle. The current title would include virtually every organization. I do not expect to find Burger King on this list. Red Slash 02:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The criteria is that it's defining opposition. That keeps 99% of people off of the list and Burger King couldn't be on the list now. Changing it to "combat" would put the Mennonites inclusion into question, and seem to imply we should make it a list of the various militaries of the world who say they're actively combatting human traffickers.__ E L A Q U E A T E 11:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no problems with the Mennonites - they themselves use the language of 'combat' - for example: 'The ranking is intended to embarrass countries into doing more to combat trafficking' - 'combat human trafficking' is an extremely common phrase in this industry unlike 'oppose' (since as noted above it's obvious that most orgs do oppose it.) As for militaries, I wouldn't add the US army to the list but if there was a task force or special group within a military that focused on the issue then it should of course be added - same with special government entities that focus on this issue. Thus, your opposition to 'combat' doesn't hold water... Even the peace -loving Mennonites have no fear of using the word 'combat' for this crime.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose is more neutral and covers the scope of activities of the organizations listed. Very few of the groups listed are combat-ready and I don't see a benefit of pivoting the list toward the military in any case.__ E L A Q U E A T E 13:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

EQ if you read the literature: mission statements, high level panels, and task forces the most common framing I found was 'combat'. Just try googling 'combat human trafficking' to see the diversity of players that describe this work in exactly this way. Yes it's derived from a military word but thousands of non-military NGOs use this exact language, so your interpretation of combat as being related to military action is unfortunately not supported by any sources. This is a common term in this field and your interpretation is novel. Combat is used here I believe because work against human trafficking involves police and legal and military actions and because It is a fight against very nasty people who are actively violating fundamental human rights vs an argument with reasonable people that we happen to disagree with - so orgs are using military terms to demonstrate their proactive approach. We shouldn't soften the language with a wishywashy 'oppose'--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose is neutral and accurate in all cases. I don't see why we should change it to something suggesting "heroic battle" when we don't have to. If they're using a military term as a metaphor for their opposition, that's great, but we wouldn't change Category:Organizations that oppose same-sex marriage to "Organizations that crusade against same-sex marriage".__ E L A Q U E A T E 14:09, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Combat is ALSO neutral, and ALSO accurate, and more importantly, much more frequently used in reliable sources to describe this work. See below. Your example of same-sex marriage is missing the point - opposition to same sex marriage is probably the common way to describe this, and more importantly, opposition to same sex marriage does not involve military, police, or international legal frameworks, rather it is an essentially legislative and morality-based argument. They are apples and oranges and it's rather daft to compare the two titles here.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If they're using a military term as a metaphor for their opposition, that's great I think this is a major misunderstanding. The use of "combat" by these organizations is not a metaphor. They really do consider it a fight. There are task forces, investigators, military and police activity, use of geographic information systems, covert operations, informants, undercover agents, hotlines, rapid response forces, real-time reporting, global activity mapping, and so on. This isn't simply opposition, or people advocating and saying human trafficking is bad, some of them are literally on the front lines trying to stop human trafficking as it happens. For you to call it a metaphor for opposition is rather uninformed, and the facile comparisons to same-sex marriage are way off-base. The use of "combat" and "fight" is widespread in sources and we shouldn't second guess them and try to weaken the language in the interest of... I'm not sure what.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of sourcing::
- combat human trafficking 333 results from news, in past ~30 days
- oppose human trafficking 0 results from news in past ~30 days
- opposition to human trafficking, 2 results from news in past ~30 days
- fight against human trafficking, 494 results from news in past ~30 days
- oppose human trafficking on wikipedia: 37
- combat human trafficking on wikipedia: 174 results
- fight against human trafficking on wikipedia: 51 results
- Thus, "oppose human trafficking" fails commonname, by a country mile. And even though "fight" seems more common in recent results, I still prefer "combat", as it seems to be how higher quality task forces etc describe themselves - there are a number of NGOs that have "combat" in their org title in fact, such as:

Laboratory to Combat Human Trafficking

Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

White House Forum to Combat Human Trafficking

Center for Combating Human Trafficking

National_Action_Plan_to_Combat_Human_Trafficking

Polaris - one of the top umbrella orgs in this space (they run the major hotlines for reporting instances of trafficking), their website describes them as "Polaris Project is a leading organization in the global fight against human trafficking and modern-day slavery." and "Polaris Project is committed to combating human trafficking and modern-day slavery, and to strengthening the anti-trafficking movement through a comprehensive approach.

etc.

--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The statistics provided above have me convince that this is the most common term, and is evidently embraced even by the most pacifist of groups. Keihatsu ^talk 03:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note -- the previous CFD on the associated category, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_4#Category:Anti-trafficking_organizations. --Lquilter (talk) 00:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it possible to list these organizations from most important to least important? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EKantarovich (talk • contribs) 13:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]