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Criteria

I realise this has probably been mentioned somewhere before, but what exactly is the criteria for a song to be listed here? The current lede says: based on reviews, polls and sentiment from music critics, musicians, and the general public, which seems vague. How many reviews and such are needed? A significant amount of the entries listed here are cited to only one source. I would suggest cutting them down in number if it isn't possible to find any more sources considering them the worst, but I see this entry has a long talk page history, and I don't want to accidentally step on consensus. KangarooGymnast (talk) 00:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

The current criteria is just a reliable source (think WP:RSMUSIC type stuff) or a professionally done poll (like by a publication or corporation) that directly refers to the given music as the worst in some direct capacity. Any efforts for creating any more specific criteria have fizzled out for being too impractical or convoluted. Sergecross73 msg me 00:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh, the other criteria is that the artist and respective album/song must have their own articles too. It keeps a lot of the trivial, deliberately bad stuff churned out by non-notable Youtubers off the list. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Stating some explicit inclusion criteria would be useful, but as Sergecross73 points out attempts at reaching consensus for that have so far been unsuccessful.

Wikipedia:Stand-alone_lists delineates the general policies for list articles; if there's some entry here that violates that there would be a good argument for removing that Mr. Swordfish (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Father Of All Motherfuckers 68/100 on Metacritic

An album that is rated 68/100 on Metacritic as "mostly favorable" (and has mostly favorable rewiews overall) does not belong on a list of albums considered the worst of all time. Please remove. 76.174.58.108 (talk) 06:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Not removing. The album fits the inclusion criteria here, because Loudwire described it as the worst. All we need is one source saying it's the worst. It doesn't matter if others think it is good. Binksternet (talk) 06:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Loudwire did NOT describe it as the worst. Read the source. Loudwire reported (in a tone that strikes me somewhat bewildered) that a completely unreliable source rated it among (!) the worst records based on highly dubious criteria.

We've been over this before and while I consider the revision done to this entry an improvement I still don't feel it is justified.

Once more: that is a "study" done by a website that usually rates online casinos. "Father Of All Motherfuckers" is actually the sixth entry on that list; and none of the other five "worse" rated entries can be found here. This definitely reeks.

(And yes, I also requested removal a couple of months ago; it got removed and after a while re-instated in revised form.)

2003:D4:DF46:D080:DD73:CD9F:A2A7:FE29 (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Please remove the birdie song

This song is does not fit the criteria to be considered one of the worst songs of all times. The song being considered “annoying” should not be qualifying because there could be many other songs considered worse. The song is also meant to be a novelty and not meant to be an official song. 69.178.59.187 (talk) 05:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Could the Gal Gadot and friends cover of 'Imagine' be a contender?

Imagine (Gal Gadot video)

Considering the timing of the songs release, would it not be considered as an example of the worst song of the 2020's so far? Or does the criteria have to be about fully licenced songs and not unofficial internet covers? 2A02:8084:6AA2:6880:5D42:9384:C9B7:3131 (talk) 21:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The reception of that was more that it was out of touch/tone-deaf contextually more than they thought the song itself was bad musically, so I wouldn't think it makes sense for inclusion. Sergecross73 msg me 21:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Euro Neuro - weak sources

The sources given for the inclusion of "Euro Neuro" strike me as particularly weak. I wouldn't include this. 2003:D4:DF37:9A87:28A8:2399:B5C2:932F (talk) 05:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Removed. Sergecross73 msg me 14:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to rename to "List of music notable for negative reception"

By analogy with List of video games notable for negative reception. Sounds more formal than "considered the worst" and perhaps offers a more neutral tinge that doesn't imply art has objective meaning to it. Eliora39770 (talk) 15:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

No, this article is named different because it documents something different. It's not just negativity, it's publications denoting "the worst" in some capacity. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Could "Thick of it" by KSI ft. Trippie Redd be a contender?

The YouTube comments on the MV are the funniest comment section I have ever seen. 103.161.242.151 (talk) 04:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

No, YouTube comments violate WP:USERG. We write Wikipedia according to professional publications, not comment sections or social media. Sergecross73 msg me 12:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2024

Adding the song “Thick of it) for being widely hated. 2A00:23C8:3383:EE01:1DEC:2285:9EA4:ECC5 (talk) 23:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done - You didn't provide enough info or a source. Sergecross73 msg me 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Rednex - Cotton Eye Joe

So I've been digging through sources included and not included in this list, and I believe Cotton Eye Joe might qualify for the list. Here's the sources I've found:

Blender has it ranked at #38 in their top 50 worst songs list.

Ranked at 13th place in Rolling Stone's poll of the all-time "20 Most Annoying Songs".

Toronto Star declared it to be the worst song of the 90s.

LA Weekly ranked it at #3 in their "Worst Electronic Dance Tracks Before the Rise of EDM" list.

NME featured it in their "32 of the Very Worst UK Number One Singles of All Time" list.

CBS News ranked it #1 in their "Top 10 Worst Songs From 'Jock Jams'" list.

Complex featured it in their "10 Songs That Gave Dance Music a Bad Name" list.

Let me know what you guys think. -Seewater514 (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Every entry needs at least one source that deems it the worst in some capacity. I don't think the Toronto Star source actually calls it worst, the list appears to be unranked. The only one that satisfies that criteria is CBS calling it the worst jock jam ever. It's not the strongest claim, but I think it technically qualifies through that. Sergecross73 msg me 14:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, while Toronto Star's list is unranked, it was still deemed by one of their music experts to be the worst song of the 90s in its entry on the list. This is what they had to say: "Led by an infernal fiddle and incessant Eurodance synth, Rednex’s electronic bastardization of the folk classic “Cotton-Eyed Joe” is the worst song of the ’90s. At least with songs like “Barbie World” or “Ice Ice Baby” you get a pleasurable earworm hook to help wash the verses down." -Seewater514 (talk) 07:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Karma - JoJo Siwa

I think we should add Karma by JoJo Siwa. This song has been relentlessly mocked, panned, and sits at over 3 million dislikes on YouTube.

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/jojo-siwa-celebrates-karma-youtube-dislikes-1235735722/ YoungArtist79 (talk) 19:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The inclusion criteria requires a reliable source stating it to be "the worst" in some capacity. Do you have that? Sergecross73 msg me 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

https://variety.com/lists/worst-songs-2024/

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/jojo-siwa/karma/ YoungArtist79 (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

We can't use RYM due to WP:RATEYOURMUSIC (it fails WP:USERG).

Variety is a usable source in a general sense, but its a pretty weak argument. It wasn't deemed the worst song of 2024, it merely made an unranked 15 song list, and its list entry says very little on it... Sergecross73 msg me 16:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thick of it - KSI ft. Triple Redd

There are many sources citing its negative reception on the page for it. It has received overwhelmingly negative reception from both fellow musical artists, general public, and industry professionals, largely due to KSI's already controversial image in addition to Lunchly, Prime, pump and dump scams, his one way "feud" with DanTDM, and his relations with MrBeast and the Pauls.

Mr. Beast's Many Controversies Explained | Lifehacker

KSI Challenges Jake Paul To A Fight After His New Song Gets Roasted

KSI faces backlash over new single "Thick of It" amidst growing criticism: Details inside

Why Does Everyone Hate "Thick of It" by KSI?

However, none of these articles use language such as "the worst" or "worst ever." Does it still quality for this list, or is this list just as strict as the worst films of all time list? On that list, an entry has to go through multiple barriers, and sources need to specifically use language such as "the worst ever" to even be considered. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

The inclusion criteria require a reliable source calling it the worst, yes. Sergecross73 msg me 21:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. So, this list is like the film one in which sources have to use language such as "the worst" or "worst ever" in order to be considered, and overwhelmingly negative reception or anti-awards are not enough. Unlike the worst video games and TV lists which just require sources citing its overwhelmingly negative reception or impact on the producers. Should an editor's note be added such as "Do not add Thick of It, as it is not widely considered to be one of the worst songs ever?" Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 23:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

It's probably premature to add that, it has t really been much of an issue so far. Sergecross73 msg me 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I still think it should be added given the high amount of sources supporting its negative reception. LordOfWalruses (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

This list has strict and specific criteria like the worst films of all-time list. Simply being universally hated is not enough, multiple Wikipedia trusted sources need to refer to Thick of It as "the worst" or "worst song of all time." Unlike the worst TV or video games lists where multiple sources citing how negatively the series or video games were received is enough for inclusion. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Personal opinions

Any song or album on this list that just has individual's personal opinions as a source without any kind of ranking should be removed. A few people not liking a song or album should not be a valid reason to add it to a list like this. There needs to be some quantitive element, such as a poll or a considered ranking. Otherwise, why not just scrape the internet for songs that a few people didn't like and add them? Not very encyclopedic. 98.13.3.175 (talk) 19:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

It's not just what "any ol' person thinks", it's got to be a reliable source publication, such as one's listed as usable at WP:RSMUSIC or WP:RSP. The talk page and its archives show all sorts of entries are rejected because people try to cite YouTubers, comments sections, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 19:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Would More of the Monkees qualify for the list

The album was hated by all the band members and Michael Nesmith said it's the worst album in the world. I feel like that qualifies.

When the Monkees released "the worst album" in history

Why Michael Nesmith Hated 'More of the Monkees' Jaf23428 (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think you should immediately add it if you do. maybe wait for a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaf23428 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

That's...kind of a weird situation. Did anyone feel it was the worst album besides a band member? Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

No but then again, I feel like a band member saying that the album is the worst is enough proof to be on this list. I'm not fully sure though. Jaf23428 (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Although I think it is mentioned on some articles. All of them just quote Michael Nesmith and don't actually think that it's the worst album of all time. It's rare for a band member to say that their album is the worst let alone a semi-positively received one. Jaf23428 (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess it technically meets the inclusion criteria. Far Out isn't a great source, but Ultimate Classic Rock is a good one. Sergecross73 msg me 19:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Summer Of Paradise The Beach Boys

It's considered the worst album by a major artist It deserves a spot. I know you said Far Out isn't a great source however there is another source. I'm not sure if it's that good either. In 1992 The Beach Boys released Summer In Paradise. It was so bad it took them 20 years to put out another album | Louder Jaf23428 (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC) Here's the far out article anyway. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/summer-in-paradise-how-the-beach-boys-made-one-of-the-worst-albums-of-all-time/

Far Out magazine isn't usable per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, so you'll need a source that calls it the worst in some capacity in order to have it meet the inclusion criteria. Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

I would say the first one says the worst album by a major artist but it's more of a question "Is Summer of Paradise the worst album by a major band?" So I don't think it really counts. Jaf23428 (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)