Talk:List of mammals of Israel

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• • • I just wanted to point out that this list is not complete.

A few species that I know are missing are: Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes) and Beech Marten (Martes foina)

There are probably other ones missing

• • • 16-Jun-2023

I wanted to point out that according to the IUCN and all other resources I've looked at do not list Asia Minor Ground Squirrel as occurring in Israel. Not even close - Turkey is the closest. It should be removed from the list. Thanks, ~T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.250.183 (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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some mistakes

There are no Lynxes in Israel. And, as much as I know, no wild sheep. There were wild sheep in Israel they went extinct ~450 years ago. But there are many wild boars.

The list lacks the aurochs the asiatic cheetah and the bubal hartebeest אריה סמסון (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I wrote the mistakes next to the rong frase אריה סמסון (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

In the page some animals that should appear don't appear

In the page the aurochs the asiatic cheetah and the bubal hartebeest are missing אריה סמסון (talk) 19:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Missing animals

The Syrian brown bear (ursus arctos syriacus) wich still lived in Israel 115 years ago is missing the Anatolian leopard (panthera pradus tulliana) wich still roamed Israel in 1965 is missing and so is the Sinai peninsula leopard (panthera pradus jarvisi) is also missing אריה סמסון (talk) 17:42, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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Leopard

@J0ngM0ng: the regional (Mediterranean) assessment is explicitly current and valid. Global assessments are always superseded by regional assessments when discussing a specific region, for reasons that should be obvious. Note that the version you are linking to is marked as no longer current (first line on the page) - the current global assessment is here. More importantly, the Mediterranean regional assessment that classifies the species as CR is explicitly linked as the current regional version here (again, see first line on this page). So please, leave this as is. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

The latest assessment is the amended version by Stein et al. (2020; VU). I think we should refer to this one instead of the older ones by Jdeidi et al. (2010) or Mallon et al. (2019), as distribution data are not mapped for these 2. I understand that Stein et al. (2020) abandoned the formerly employed assessment of subspecies. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

As noted, that is the GLOBAL assessment, not the regional one - which has not been superseded, and indeed is specifically linked as a "current assessment" alongside the new global one. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Elmidae: While it is considered "current" by the website, the Mediterranean assessment is simply out of date. I get you're trying to stick to the assessment that's relevant, but I argue that the global assessment should be used in favour of the Mediterranean one, as it came out in 2020 (and the Mediterranean one in 2010). Besides, the global assessment has this to say: "In 2006, Leopard populations were estimated at eight individuals in Israel's Judean Desert and Negev Highlands respectively, however, they have not been confirmed since (Perez et al. 2006)." This is a change from the Mediterranean assessment, which says: "The leopard occurs across most of sub-Saharan Africa, as remnant populations in North Africa, and then in the Arabian peninsula and Sinai/Judean Desert (Egypt/Israel/Jordan)..." which makes me think that leopards may have become extirpated in the time between the two assessments. And doing research on leopard sightings in Israel, the last confirmed sighting I could find was this one in 2010/2011: [1]. So I think it would be best to follow the global assessment. I agree with @BhagyaMani: J0ngM0ng (talk) 02:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I guess I don't see the point in both ignoring the currency as stated by the IUCN itself (they clearly placed both links at the time that the 2020 global report was published, so this is not some neglected remnant), and assuming that a CR regional classification would be upgraded to VU on the strength of - zero sightings in the meantime. That doesn't hold up either procedurally or logically. But ultimately I don't care enough about this single code displayed in one country list to argue about it any further. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

VU is on the GLOBAL level. Not on an Israeli level. You're misunderstanding the point. But I digress. J0ngM0ng (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree to keeping it in the *Locally extinct* list, until + unless this status changes. But 1 ref is sufficient. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 06:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Understandable. I just like to add the subspecies to be as specific as possible. J0ngM0ng (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Species to add

I know some of these are mentioned elsewhere, but I’m listing as many as possible:

Arabian leopard (Locally Extinct)

Roe deer (reintroduced)

Red deer (locally extinct)?

Syrian brown bear (locally extinct)

Asiatic cheetah (locally extinct)

Aurochs (extinct)

Asiatic Lion (locally extinct) BBres96 (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@BBres96: Be bold. If you have reliable sources to support those additions and they have been present since about 1500 (our usual standard of "mammals of" pages), go ahead and add them. We are all volunteers. If you need help, reply below or let me know and I can help you format references etc. Welcome! SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

(From my other, more-used account) Thank you for the approval! I didn't initially see the "Locally extinct" section which already has several of the species that I listed. As for the ones I changed and added, I primarily used this source: https://brill.com/view/journals/ijee/65/1-2/article-p43_43.xml

Please let me know if I can provide additional sources Bbreslau (talk) 19:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

16-Jun-2023

I wanted to point out that according to the IUCN and all other resources I've looked at do not list Asia Minor Ground Squirrel as occurring in Israel. Not even close - Turkey is the closest. It should be removed from the list. Thanks, ~T — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.117.250.183 (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia; you can fix it yourself. Be bold! However if you'd rather not, I'll do it, but I'll give you a few days. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)