Talk:List of highest-grossing media franchises/Archive 1

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Transformers

Why does this article only include the Transformers film series and not the whole franchise? Charles Essie (talk) 19:49, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Fair Point.I will add Transformers to the incomplete list then.Timur9008 (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Creators

For Jurassic Park, shouldn't Michael Crichton be listed as a co-creator, since he wrote the original novel? 206.29.176.77 (talk) 00:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

You are right. Added him.Timur9008 (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Street Fighter

I added Street Fighter to this list, as it's grossed over 7 billion dollars and is a multimedia franchise with games, movies, TV shows, comics, novels, etc.

The only problem, is that I was only able to find the $7 billion number here. I don't know how you guys feel about Wikia, but I strongly feel that Street Fighter deserves to be on this list. If the Wikia link is not acceptable, then can you help me find a better source? 107.77.192.235 (talk) 20:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Capcom never issued how much street fighter made in it's entirety. Besides, Wikia cannot be used as a source considering they sort of just carculated those numbers themselves(based on retail prices of the games) and it only counts arcades and software.Timur9008 (talk) 18:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Would it be WP:CALC? -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Sort of. The calculations that Wikia does aren't entirely accurate hence why i don't really use it. Feel free to correct me though if anything.Timur9008 (talk) 20:52, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto

Why doesn't this article include the Grand Theft Auto series since GTA 5 has $3 billion gross? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Costas theodorou7 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Something

The source for Despicable Me, Ice Age, and The Lorax is a Cinemacon article that suggests that all three franchises together—including all Dr. Seuss features, not just the Lorax—have grossed $7B.Shuaksky (talk) 15:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I removed them all.★Trekker (talk) 19:57, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Some sourcing for Despicable Me seems like a good thing to work on though, since it has nearly $4B in box office and a low estimate of merchandise would easily put it near the top of the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.75.115 (talk) 07:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Need a Better Source for Mickey Mouse Figure

The Mickey Mouse figure of $6B is for a single year (2007), not total revenue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekLad (talk • contribs) 13:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any reliable sources giving total figures, but only annual figures. If there are any reliable sources giving total figures, then feel free to mention them. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo

Should Scooby-Doo be on one of the two list with a lot of toys, 30+ Films, 11 tv series, live shows, 20+ video games, tons of games and toys, about 4 comic book series and more stuff I probably forgot 92.232.119.244 (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

There is no information regarding Scooby-Doo aside from box-office that i was able to find. There was one mention regarding retail sales for one year(2004-$1 billion) and that's about it.Timur9008 (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

can you show the link so I can reed, could this source put scooby on the incomplete list?Fanoflionking (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

This One but bear in mind, merchandise sales have to be from a specific point preferably since the inception of the franchise(for comparison sake) up until whatever point it's mentioned in the source. That is why i didn't want add this source even though i found it a long time ago.Timur9008 (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Avatar

Almost $3.3B just from tickets + DVD/BR. Nergaal (talk) 14:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I have now added Avatar to the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Disney

I would have thought that there br more Disney franchise here are some I thought would be on here

1. Peter Pan (inc tinkerbell spin off)

2. Little Mermaid

3. Beauty and the beast

4. Aladdin

5. Muppets

6. Monsters, Inc.

7. Lilo and stitch

8. Finding Nemo

9. Forzen

Do not knew if any more be will be on the list these are just some I thought will be on here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.119.244 (talk) 16:43, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

If you have any sources for these franchises, feel free to present them. Maestro2016 (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Frozen Nergaal (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I have added Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and Frozen to the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Retails

For reference, in 2011:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/09/17/disney-princess-tops-list-of-the-20-best-selling-entertainment-products/2/

Nergaal (talk) 08:38, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Rick and morty

Should Rick and morty be on this page?Fanoflionking 22:59, 13 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanoflionking (talk • contribs)

Do you have any sources indicating that it grossed over $1 billion? Maestro2016 (talk) 19:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Wallace and gormit

Should the Wallace and Gromit be on the list Box office $300 million Merchandise $500 million (only Shaun not WAG or Timmy Chartrety: $7.9 million EST Total $808 millon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.119.244 (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

It needs $1 billion to make the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

GTA franchise

Just GTA5 is at $6bn[1]. Nergaal (talk) 11:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Is GTA a multi-media franchise? It needs to have expanded to other media besides video games to qualify for this list. Maestro2016 (talk) 20:07, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

The title here is about media, not multi-media. Nergaal (talk) 11:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

IP was over $300M 2 years ago. Nergaal (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

[2] Nergaal (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

GTA4 is listed at over 0.5bn. Nergaal (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

GTA is already included on List of the highest-grossing video game franchises. This article is only for media franchises, i.e. multimedia or cross-media franchises, which have works in more than one medium. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

magic

should we change hary potter to wizzard wor;d — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 21:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

The Main articles(harry potter's) name wasn't changed, so i don't see why we should. Timur9008 (talk) 09:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

they is now one for J. K. Rowling's Wizarding World so we should do the same82.38.157.176 (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Not exactly. The source used only mention's revenue regarding Harry Potter, it does not mention anything from the Hobbit trilogy(box office, home entertainment,merchandise, etc). We should wait until a new article is published that mentions both harry potter and hobbit numbers, otherwise changing the title now makes no sense.Timur9008 (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

What relevance does The Hobbit have to Wizarding World? I suspect you really meant to refer to Fantastic Beasts.--Mdulcey (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Naruto

I haven't yet gathered all data, but based on manga sales and movie box office alone, Naruto would rank in this list with the two aspects strumming up $1.41 billion alone. Should it be placed in the list in case merchandise/entertainment/game profits are unavailable? 81.96.20.94 (talk) 21:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I've now added it to the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 05:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Marvel & DC

The Wikipedia article, Media franchises, defines a franchise as "a collection of related media in which several derivative works have been produced from an original creative work." The MCU and DCEU films are derivative works of the comics, the original creative work, and are not original creative works themselves.

I propose that all of Marvel's and DC's works and merchandise should each be consolidated into two respective franchises listed as Marvel Universe and DC Universe, as they are categorized here. All of the films, cartoons, video games, merchandise, etc. are interrelated and based on the same original creative works, the comic books. The rights, ownership, continuity, or recipients of revenue are not taken into consideration for any other franchises where such disparities exist such as Star Wars or Pokémon, so it shouldn't be a factor for these. MCU, DCEU, Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, X-Men, Iron Man, etc. are certainly notable components of these franchises and individually larger than many other whole franchises, and I see no reason they shouldn't be listed separately for comparison since they can be easily isolated from their parent franchises; however, it should be indicated that they are components of a larger franchise, perhaps with italics, an asterisk, or some other marker.

Since this is a drastic change, I wanted to submit it for discussion here before I made any modifications. Opinions? Thoughts? Comments? idisestablish (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Are there any reliable sources, preferably from Marvel or DC themselves, actually classifying the Marvel or DC Universe as a media franchise? Wikipedia's list of multimedia franchises does not give any citation to support the claims that the Marvel and DC Universes are multimedia franchises, but instead the citations only refer to Spider-Man, Hulk, Superman, etc. being multimedia franchises. As far as I'm aware, Marvel and DC only use the "Marvel Universe" and "DC Universe" labels in reference to the comic books, and they classify the MCU and DCEU as their own separate franchises, not part of their other franchises. If we were to lump them together, it may constitute original research.

It's also worth keeping in mind that other companies have also had crossover universes, like the Super Smash Bros universe which encompasses all of Nintendo's franchises (Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, etc.), or the Disney Princess brand encompassing virtually all of Disney's princess franchises (Little Mermaid, Beauty & Beast, Aladdin, Mulan, etc.), or the Shounen Jump crossovers which combine all of their franchises (Dragon Ball, One Piece, Fist of the North Star, Naruto, etc.) into a shared universe. The existence of a shared crossover universe does not mean we should merge all of a company's franchises into a single super-franchise, or else the list would just end up being a comparison between companies. Maestro2016 (talk) 09:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but there is an important difference between Marvel and DC and Smash Bros or Disney Princesses. For example, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, X-Men, and Avengers were all created concurrently in a series of books by the same creators, and the subsequent books and characters have all overlapped as part of an interconnected story. The Fantastic Four appears in The Amazing Spider-Man #1 and The Avengers #1. The X-Men encounter Namor in their sixth issue, and Hulk and FF are mentioned early on as well. Smash and Disney Princesses characters, on the other hand, were all created separately over decades (or hundreds of years in the case of Disney Princesses) in totally separate stories and by different creators before being brought together. Marvel and DC were media franchises with movies, tv series, toys, and video games for decades before the DCEU and MCU existed. Just as you stated the the combining of disparate Disney Princesses into a crossover doesn't justify combining all of the previously-separate works, the disconnection of the previously-connected works that has sometimes occurred in TV and film for DC and Marvel does not justify the separation of the original joined works. The distinction is that the source material is connected and all derivative works are linked to that original work. In the same way Harry Potter spawned the Wizarding World, Fantastic Four spawned the Marvel Universe.

I would also argue that there is a distinction between a media franchise in a defined sense and the recent trend to use it as a synonym for a media series (e.g. Film series) or shared universe. All of the characters in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes appear in the MCU, and it is clearly derived from the same source as The Avengers, yet they are separated because they are not part of the same series. The inclusion of one Hulk film and the exclusion of two others and multiple TV shows is another example among many. This distinction is not made in the Batman films, for instance, despite the fact that the most recent ones are part of the DCEU. This disparity affects only Marvel and DC and none of the other franchises on this list. Idisestablish (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC) 15:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

The point still stands that Marvel and DC have only used the labels "Marvel Universe" and "DC Universe" in reference to the comic books, as far as I'm aware, while classifying the MCU and DCEU as their own separate franchises. If that's how Marvel and DC themselves classify them, then the article should reflect that. I have yet to see any reliable sources (especially not from Marvel or DC) actually referring to the Marvel or DC Universes as multi-media franchises that the MCU or DCEU are part of. Media franchises should be classified according to reliable sources. If there are any other individual Marvel/DC franchises that exceed $1 billion (such as Hulk), then they can be listed separately (as has been done for Batman, Spider-Man, Superman and X-Men). Maestro2016 (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Public domain

Should Public domain franchisees for example The Jungle Book be allowed on this list? If these PD franchises ever get on here thur a certain emelent I.E Disney than yeah but if it because on multiple companies than it should not be on Here. Fanoflionking 14:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I've now changed the public domain works to only the Disney franchises. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Fast and the Furious, X-Men, and other film franchises?

I noticed there was no X-Men or Fast and Furious, despite these franchises making $5 billion in box office alone. Can somebody add them? Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 08:23, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I've now added X-Men and Fast & Furious. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

They also more franchises we should look at the Highest-grossing films page and talk and there history Fanoflionking 22:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

There are like 30+ movies with over 1bn grosses. The lowest threshold here should be bumped up to 2bn or say 5bn to keep the list manageable. Nergaal (talk) 11:41, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Only movie franchises that have expanded beyond their original medium qualify for this list of media franchises. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Every single successful movie has had DVD releases. Nergaal (talk) 10:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

By other media, I mean novels, games, comic books, television series, etc. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I've now added nearly all of the film franchises from the list, with the exception of sub-series. Maestro2016 (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Personally I would have an inclusion threshold of $10 billion, and that would allow the list to ditch most of the film-only franchises (and still have a list of 30+ franchises). By having the threshold so low you risk making the list very incomplete. Betty Logan (talk) 08:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

$10 billion is too high, but at the same time $1 billion is too low. I think somewhere between $2-5 billion would be an ideal cut-off point. Maestro2016 (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Spider-Man

Why is Civil War and Infinity War included in Spider-Man box office? If we do this surly all other characters who appear in this film should have it in. Fanoflionking 13:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

We follow the sources, if they include Spider-Man then we do too. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Avengers gross is also included for Hulk. Maestro2016 (talk) 20:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Box office crooerct

Looking at the box office on this page how much of them are right I recently corrected three included frozen (witch was lists on this page as $1.278billion but I changed it to $1.290 billion. There are serevel anime franchises I.E Pokémon witch on this page at $1.04 billion but gross $1.01 billion See this and serevel live action franchises I.e James Bond witch gross $7.04 billion List of Highest-grossing franchises and film seriesFanoflionking 10:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I've now updated Pokemon's box office to reflect the List of highest-grossing anime films page, which currently lists $1.033 billion. As for James Bond, its reference is The Numbers, which lists $7.078 billion. The slightly lower James Bond number on List of highest-grossing films may be incomplete. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Star Wars

Under the Star Wars what dose it mean Intellectual property and Miscellaneous Fanoflionking 23:08, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Miscellaneous means other media. As for intellectual property, I think it means how much Disney purchased it for. It's been there since the start of the article, although I don't think it's necessary to the article. Maestro2016 (talk) 02:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Winnie the Pooh

Is this article acceptable as a source? http://kidscreen.com/2007/04/01/baby-20070401/ Bentzshz (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Kidscreen appears to be published by Brunico Communications, the publisher of Playback magazine. I'm not familiar with these works, so not exactly sure how reliable they are. But personally, it looks like an okay source to me. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:38, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Bentzshz (talk) 01:14, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

MLP

Question why is the My Little Pony franchise just Friendship Is Magic is there no info for the rest of the franchise or something Fanoflionking 18:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

It's been listed that way for well over a year. I think the reason is because its original reference was specifically about Friendship Is Magic. And it hasn't been changed since then because the numbers currently in the article don't go further back than 2012 anyway, so it made sense to keep it as Friendship Is Magic, which is the post-2010 incarnation. If there are numbers added which go back before Friendship Is Magic began in 2010, then it would make sense to change it to just My Little Pony in general. Maestro2016 (talk) 04:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I've now changed it to just My Little Pony, after adding some box office and video numbers, including the box office gross of the 1986 movie. Maestro2016 (talk) 05:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Toys?

Why aren't toys listed as being the originators of franchises? Strawberry Shortcake's greeting cards count, so why don't Barbie dolls before Barbie's breakthrough to being a multimedia franchise? --Alexschmidt711 (talk) 02:18, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Because toys are not media. There was no Barbie media franchise until the 1980s. As for Strawberry Shortcake's greeting cards, I would consider them to be a form of media, since they were cartoon images printed on paper. Maestro2016 (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Moomins

The Moomins would probably fit in this list. In 2006 alone, they grossed about € 1.5-2.[3] However, I can't find a source for their total gross income over the years. Does anyone know where such information could be found? / 83.254.202.82 (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Dragon Ball's gross adjustments

By going through citations, I've found out gross of Dragon Ball Super wasn't added. The figures only shows upto 2008 except the box office collections, correct me If I'm wrong.--IM3847 (talk) 09:14, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

It's now up-to-date. Maestro2016 (talk) 00:06, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Comic books and derivative franchises

Anyone got any info about Batman, Spider-Man, Superman and the like? I mean something like the MCU and its merchandise must be pretty high on the list.★Trekker (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

A general shortcoming of the list is that the comic franchises don't have any info about sales of the comics! That's an imbalance compared to the Wizarding World and Middle-Earth entries, which do include book sales.--Mdulcey (talk) 05:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah that's a huge problem.★Trekker (talk) 21:46, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Comic sales figures have been added. For American comics, the main reference is Comichron. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Muppet street

is there any reason why muppets and Sesame Street are put into the same franchise? Fanoflionking

The merchandise sources (including The Licensing Letter) don't give numbers for The Muppets, but only for Sesame Street. This would imply that they're including Muppets merchandise under the Sesame Street franchise. So it makes sense that they should be grouped together on this list. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:25, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Sailor Moon Merchandise

$2.5 Billion by 1996 http://www.tokyoland.de/BostonGlobe-article.txt

https://web.archive.org/web/20170203031443/https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8373932.html

$13 Billion by 2014

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2014/07/03/general/happy-birthday-sailor-moon/#.XOjuyYgzbIU Is this even accurate? The Main Sailor Moon article mentions $5 billion merch sales with no source. Timur9008 (talk) 10:33, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, The Japan Times is a reliable source. And I don't think there's anything particularly odd about the franchise generating an additional $10 billion over a nearly two-decade period. A similar magical girl franchise, Pretty Cure, has sold over $7 billion merchandise in just over a decade, from Japan alone. And I'm pretty sure Sailor Moon is the bigger magical girl franchise. So if Pretty Cure can sell that much merch in just over a decade, then I'm pretty sure Sailor Moon can sell more merch than that in nearly two decades. Maestro2016 (talk) 06:46, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, Thanks. In know The Japan Times s reliable source. Was mostly confused by the $5 billion figure mentioned in the Main Sailor Moon article. Nevermind then.Timur9008 (talk) 11:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon numbers

Are the numbers for Pokemon actually correctly counted? The licensed merchandise figure supposedly doesn't include the other sales like video games, but that only references another Wikipedia article here with the sources there not leading me to definitive answers.

Quick googling and I come to the conclusion that that's not accurate. As per the Pokemon companys own page their reported number from 2017 is 6 trillion yen and DOES include video games and all other products, with 6 trillion yen equating to around 54 billion USD. It's hard to believe to me that they nearly doubled that, and more likely that the licensed merchandise number actually includes all other products as well. Correct me if I am wrong. Muffin1611 (talk) 18:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Licensed merchandise means the sales of merchandise produced and sold by licensees. Since the video games and trading cards are produced and sold by Nintendo and The Pokemon Company themselves, they are not licensed merchandise. And since the video games and trading cards are not licensed merchandise, they are counted separately. As for the licensed merchandise number itself, you can see the breakdown over at The Pokémon Company page, which adds up the franchise's annual licensed merchandise sales.

As for the number on The Pokemon Company's page, it's not entirely clear what it means by market size. But if it is referring to total franchise sales revenue, then it's worth keeping in mind that it's not up-to-date, but is from March 2017, and that exchange rates vary over time. A few years ago, prior to Pokemon Go, the page listed just under 5 trillion yen, which converted to well over $60 billion at the exchange rate back then. And then after Pokemon Go released, the franchise value shot up by 1.2 trillion yen (about $12 billion) within 9 months by March 2017. When taking into account the changing exchange rates, the value of the franchise came up to almost $75 billion by March 2017. And if it increased at a similar pace as it did before that, then the value would've increased by another 1.2 trillion yen (about $12 billion) by the end of 2017. This would put it very much in-line with the article's number derived from the sum of all media and merchandise sales. Either way, I think it's best to add up the separate media and merchandise sales individually, like for every other franchise on the list, which gives a more complete and up-to-date overall picture. Maestro2016 (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I was trying to check that statement of when it was 5 trillion yen converting to 60 billion. The highest exchange rate in the past 10 years I could find (June 2015) only translates to 40 billion USD. Are you sure about exchange rate making it add up to the 90 billion amount?

Adding it up seperately is well and good, I'm just not sure if the end result here is accurate. Muffin1611 (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, the highest exchange rates were back around 2011-2013. If you convert 5 trillion yen at the exchange rates back then, you get over $60 billion. Which would be roughly around how much the franchise earned before Pokemon Go. After Go, the franchise earned 1.2 trillion yen within 9 months. And licensed merchandise figures from 2017 suggest that the franchise sold better in 2017 than it did in 2016. Which would mean the franchise earned at least another 1.2 trillion yen in the next 9 months, adding up to well over $80 billion by the end of 2017. Which would be in-line with what this article has listed, derived from the sum of all media and merchandise sales up until 2018. In other words, I don't think there is any real contradiction between the 2-years-old number The Pokemon Company listed and the up-to-date number this article lists. Maestro2016 (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

The numbers for Pokemon need to be updated per TPC's own website. They no longer mention the total revenue figure on their website.https://www.pokemon.co.jp/corporate/en/services/

There are now more than 27.2 billion cards sold.

Also this article no longer mention Pokemon Detective Pikachu. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_films#Box_office_performance

Timur9008 (talk) 11:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Transformers

This seems to give a bigger income for Transformers. Nergaal (talk) 12:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

That source looks unreliable. However, I've found a reliable source that gives the same number, and have updated Transformers. Maestro2016 (talk) 20:07, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Maestro2016 Found something else [4] Timur9008 (talk) 20:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Star Wars Home Entertainment

Found this a while ago.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20040922005834/en/115000000-Day-Worldwide-Sales-Star-Wars-Star

Maybe can be incorporated somehow in the article? Timur9008 (talk) 9:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

That seems to be already included in the article's home video figure. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Licence Global's Report 2019

@Maestro2016 Perhaps you can update some of this stuff?. Timur9008 (talk) 6:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

https://secure.viewer.zmags.com/publication/b0a2d8f9#/b0a2d8f9/2

Thanks for letting me know. I'll have a look into it. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Maestro2016 Sorry for the late reply. No problem. BTW can you look into this.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/yu-gi-creator-terminates-us-172273

From the source: "The Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise, including a popular TV show and various merchandising, is said to have earned 4Kids over $152 million in income between 2001 and 2009."

Can this be included in the article? It mentions the revenue from the TV Show which is something I guess. Timur9008 (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

TMNT Retai Sales during 2003-2005

Found this a short while ago https://web.archive.org/web/20051129031935/http://www.ninjaturtles.com:80/

If you click on the "LATEST UPDATE: Tuesday, Nov. 29" below is a press release(November 3, 2005) mentioning this With more than $1 billion in total retail sales since re-launching in 2003, the TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES are a major force in children’s entertainment. Is there any way to extract this press release from the website? Timur9008 (talk) 10:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I've added it to the article, with a direct archived link to the news page where the press release is found. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Images

I propose we add an image or two to this article, similar to the highest-grossing film article. What does everyone else think?Timur9008 (talk) 10:45, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I suppose adding a Pokemon image would make sense. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking also we could use some variations of these images [5](not exactly correct) and [6](shoutout to TompaDompa), what do think? Timur9008 (talk) 10:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Why did the images go away?

Copyright issue. Timur9008 (talk) 9:27, 20 September 2020(UTC)

Extra

Do we need all the extra information (Year of inception,Original media,Creator,Owner(s)) most of this information is literally one click away. Fanoflionking 19:28, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

I think it's pretty useful to have this information. It helps avoid confusion over the way in which franchises are grouped on the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Reference 428

Reference 428 doesn't work for me, is there a backup source for this? Timur9008 (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't work for me either. I've replaced it with another reference giving a slightly higher retail figure for Jurassic Park, from its Wikipedia article. Maestro2016 (talk) 23:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

The $5 billion figure is total revenue though, not retail sales, no? At least that's what it says in the source.Timur9008 (talk) 9:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Brands and WikiProject Popular culture

Isn't this list considered to be part of these WikiProjects? I'm asking this because I'm thinking about adding these here. Timur9008 (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

It seems a little odd how much the USA and Japan dominate this list

In the top 25, only 3 franchises (Harry Potter, Middle Earth, and James Bond) originated outside of the USA or Japan, and even those all came from the Anglosphere. The USA and Japan are definitely media titans, but it seems a little strange just how much their franchises dominate the list. I'd expect a few more European or Chinese franchises to show up (though some Chinese franchises, especially video games, do show up.) Admittedly, it's hard to find concrete numbers on many franchises; I suspect Asterix would be on the list but I can't find that many relevant numbers apart from book sale numbers. --Alexschmidt711 (talk) 03:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Alexschmidt711 Yes Asterix is on the list same goes for Scooby-Doo(15-20 billion), Garfield(about the same). The list is made of mostly of the available data that's available on the Internet. Finding sales numbers is difficult as it is. If there is data on Asterix it is buried somewhere on the Internet or not publicly available at all. Timur9008 (talk) 10:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Highest grossing toy list

Ok I know why there isnt one and it isnt like you think.

I'm talking about a page of highest grossing toy franchises per company listed as it's own page.

It will have a hasbro section, mattel section etc by brand.

Does anybody want to help make that with me? Tropetroop29 (talk) 17:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tropetroop29 if you can find some sources I will help with List of highest grossing toy franchises Fanoflionking 23:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Inflation Chart

I propose we add an Inflation chart similar to the highest-grossing film's article. What does everyone else think? Timur9008 (talk) 13:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary. It would be way too complicated, since we'd have to calculate the inflation for each and every year, for each and every media and merchandise category. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Additional explanatory information and clarity needed

1.) The sentence that currently reads "This list covers every aspect of a particular franchise, such as box office, sales from merchandise, home entertainment, and revenue from video games, among other things, if such information is available." very much needs to be reworked. First off, it includes a list of 4 items separated by commas. In any such list the items have to be of the same, er, format. In this case the list of items could be "box office revenue, sales from merchandise, home entertainment sales, and revenue from video games"; OR it could be "movie tickets, merchandise, home entertainment, and video games." Secondly, even if we cut out that ugly list (I'll just replace it with BMHV) the sentence, as currently written, would read "This list covers every aspect of a particular franchise, such as BMHV, among other things, if such information is available." ...It'd still make Strunk and White, or your high school English teacher, cringe. I propose changing the sentence to "Revenue totals in the list below include revenue from box office sales, home entertainment, video games, merchandise, and any other franchise-related products when such information is available." Alternatively 'box office sales' could be replaced with 'movie tickets'. ...I'm going to go ahead and change it, but there are other ways to rework it and if you all prefer a different rework, go nuts.

2.) This article jumps straight into the list without providing sufficient explanation first. I speak from the point of view of what's probably the majority of those visiting this page (and I believe the people Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written for) - folks who aren't well-versed in the article's subject matter. And as I'm reading I'm thinking "Pokemon's revenue breakdown includes licensed merchandise, video games, a card game, box office, manga sales (which apparently = Japanese graphic novels and comics), and home entertainment (which apparently = VHS's, DVDs, Blu-rays, etc). But 'licensed merchandise' is basically anything bearing the name, likeness, or other attributes of a licensed 'brand' like a trademarked character, a copyrighted title, etc. So aren't graphic novels, comic books, card games, and movies derived from the original video game 'merchandise'? And what's the difference between licensed merchandise, merchandise sales, retail sales, and 'merchandise & licensing'? What's the difference between manga sales, manga magazines, and manga volumes?"

Next I'm thinking "There've been multiple Hello Kitty animated TV series, 3 movies, and over a dozen video games, but none of those are listed in the revenue breakdown. Are they included? Were they lumped in with merchandise sales? Other franchises lists those things separately... Star Wars lists box office, video games, TV revenue, and home video. Harry Potter lists box office, video games, TV revenue, and home entertainment. So is home entertainment the same as home video?"

I totally realize that the information in this article is coming from many, many different sources which makes 'standardization' hard, but to the extent that it's possible, a.) the terminology needs to be standardized and defined for the unenlightened like me, and b.) *some* effort needs to be made to ensure we're comparing apples to apples or else the numbers and the list itself are completely useless. Niccast (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Regarding #2, the list makes a distinction between media (i.e. films, music, video games, etc.) and merchandise (i.e. toys, apparel, clothes, purses, etc.). Also, "licensed merchandise" means merchandise sold by licensees, not the license holder. If merchandise is sold by the license holder, then it's not licensed merchandise, but would fall under merchandise sales. That's why, for example, Pokemon cards are listed separately from licensed merchandise, as the cards are manufactured directly by The Pokemon Company rather than a licensee. Maestro2016 (talk) 04:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Does Aladdin Pachinko count?

The Pachinko machines listed in the cited article is stated as being produced in 1989 (3 years before the film release). Doing a brief search on Google, I havn't found any evidence of Pachinko machines with Disney's version of Aladdin on them, just ones with a generic Aladdin theme based on the original trademark and copyright free tale. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yx09PsYdGE ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.175.48 (talk) 19:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

You could be right. The Sega Sammy pachinko machines may not be connected to the Disney franchise. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:02, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

License Global's recent report

@Maestro2016 Can you update some of this stuff?. Timur9008 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

https://www.licenseglobal.com/magazine/august-2020#1

Should there be a $50 billion section now?

why I say this is now we have a wide range spanning from pokemon which has now crossed the $100 billion mark to cod which just $20 billion. So the next step would be to create a $50 billion group next and as the next few years go by more franchise will make it into that area. So while there isnt even 10 yet to cross the mark why not put it in to have it set up for more growth?

Sounds like a good idea. What do you think @Maestro2016: ? Timur9008 (talk) 9:37, 20 September 2020(UTC)

it be more than week and most (all) people for it so I have go on and done it. Fanoflionking 15:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Question

Can this page be moved from List of highest-grossing media franchises to List of highest-grossing multimedia franchises? Timur9008 (talk) 21:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Only asking because this page was moved from Media franchise to Multimedia franchise by Editor-1. Calling all available editors. @Editor-1: @Maestro2016: @*Treker: @Emir of Wikipedia: @Betty Logan:

@Timur9008: If you think could be moved then do a Requested move just read that page first Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Batman's 1960's Television series revenue

Found this yesterday https://books.google.lv/books?id=5T41AAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=batman+television+series+$300+million&article_id=7231,5652942&hl=ru&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzq6Ocrr7lAhVqzqYKHVIbBY4Q6AEISzAG#v=onepage&q=batman%20television%20series%20%24300%20million&f=false

From the source They say the series itself cost $3 million and brought in about $300 million. Guess it's time to update? Timur9008 (talk) 8:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)