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Burgess gang

In 1866, the Burgess Gang were responsible for the Maungatapu murders, near Canvastown between Marlborough and Nelson, as well as the murder of surveyor George Dobson, the second son of Edward Dobson and brother of Arthur Dudley Dobson, near what later became the West Coast town of Dobson. Where do these colonial gangs fit on the list? - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would not consider them to be a gang in the sense used in this article, primarily because there were only four of them and I don't expect there was any internal organisation beyond having a leader. See Gang#Types, none of which the Burgess gang fit. To take a (possibly) better-known but fictional example, would you put Ted West and his group of criminals from the program Westside into this list if they were real? Each member of his group has a specialty, but there's still no real internal structure.-gadfium 19:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the Kelly gang does not appear in Gangs in Australia or List of gangs in Australia.-gadfium 19:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that indicates deficiencies with the Gangs in Australia articles. The Te Ara story about Gangs, mentions both the Kelly gang and the Burgess gang as early examples of a gang. So if these gangs are mentioned in the sources on gangs, why do they not make the list? What is the list inclusion criteria if it is not "gangs, criminal enterprises, and crime syndicates"? On that basis I would think both meet the criteria. There is no mention that this article is limited to any particular time period. I would have thought understanding the history of gangs in New Zealand helps one understand more recent developments in gangs. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

add more gangs

add gangs such as N$K Never Snitch Krew, $MK $lick money krimz and ADK (all day krazy) 219.89.63.205 (talk) 06:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article isn't semi-protected, you can add them yourself. If they are notable... please cite your source(s). Non-notable gangs will be removed. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 06:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]