Talk:List of Chinese musical instruments

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suggestion that this article be merged with Chinese orchestra

I strongly disagree. Traditional Chinese musical instruments is about the the instruments themselves whereas Chinese orchestra is about their use in the modern Chinese orchestra, which is a 20th development modelled on the western symphony orchestra with seperate first, second string sections, wind sections etc. LDHan 10:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree that the two articles be merged. But the way the Chinese orchestra article is written (discussing each instrument rather than the history of this modern Chinese large traditional instruments orchestra) makes it very similar to the Traditional Chinese musical instruments article. Also, the ancient (and often large) court orchestras are not addressed; are these a type of "Chinese orchestra" as well? They should probably also be discussed in Chinese orchestra. But I agree that the two articles are different; one about the instruments (basically a list), and the other should be about the development and composition of Chinese large orchestras. Badagnani 04:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese orchestra needs expanding to include the history, development and composition of different types of Chinese orchestras, not just the modern large orchestra. LDHan 11:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree as well. The TCMI article is not the same as the CO article in one main way. Some of the instruments listed in the TCMI do not exist in a modern CO, such as the guqin, which will seem out of place on a CO article. The CO article should focus on how the instruments used in CO fit in, whilst the TCMI one should focus on listing and making short comments about each individual instrument, with links to articles that are created in their names. --CharlieHuang 00:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, some ancient/obsolete instruments were used in ancient Chinese orchestras but as far as I know I don't think the guqin was used in large ancient orchestras either. Badagnani 00:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most common?

So many are listed here. What are the most common traditional Chinese instruments one might find or hear in a city like Toronto, if you only had to name under 5?--Sonjaaa 07:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The most common would be pipa, erhu, guzheng, dizi, and yangqin. LDHan 10:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would add Ruan (Zhong Ruan)to the list of most common instruments as it often appears in small ensembles. They can be found in ethnic shops in cities like Seattle and here in Tokyo. It is an often overlooked but very important ensemble and solo instrument. Tkoind--—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkoind (talk • contribs)

Which Hanzi in Sanxian?

I've noticed 三弦 sānxián has been replaced by 三線 sānxiàn (note different tone). Which is the right one? LDHan 09:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, was unicodifying it and accidently deleted it, so I used the Japanese 「線」 instead. 「弦」 is correct, though I find 「絃」 more etymologically correct, since the instrument is plucked, rather than bowed which would mean 「弦」 would be correct. See the Etymological notes on the word 'string' in the Guqin article for more clarification. But since everyone uses 「弦」, we will use it here too. --CharlieHuang 12:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User templates for musicians of Chinese instruments

I've created a whole set of user templates for users who play any major Chinese traditional musical instrument for them to use on their userpages here: Category:Wikipedian Chinese instrument players. It is by no means complete yet, but I plan to put every major Chinese instrument there. I won't put the minor ones as I doubt there will be many who specialize in those, but you could of course create a template or the full set of templates for your instrument if I haven't already created it. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 12:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

缶

Was this used in yayue? An earthen jar: 缶. Badagnani 05:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was... --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 10:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liang Tsai-Ping says it was. Badagnani 20:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template for stubs

Use this for Chinese music related stubs. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 10:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Chinese instruments

To evaluate: website listing ancient Chinese instruments. Badagnani 20:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To evaluate: Taiwanese musical instruments. Badagnani 01:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To evaluate:

胡笳 (hújiā)

1. (archaic) a reed pipe adopted by the Chinese from nomadic peoples of Central Asia in ancient times and used in military music.

What was this instrument, exactly, and should it be added? In which section? Badagnani (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photos of ancient instruments here, here, and here. Badagnani (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very comprehensive article giving many names of instruments. Badagnani (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To evaluate: [1]. Badagnani (talk) 01:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More here. Badagnani (talk) 07:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dahanqin

Is there such an instrument as the dahanqin (大漢琴), as seen here? Badagnani (talk) 20:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

轉調箏

Add 轉調箏 (as seen at YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E8%BD%89%E8%AA%BF%E7%AE%8F&search_type= ) Badagnani (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

蝴蝶筝

Add 蝴蝶筝 (as seen at http://you.video.sina.com.cn/b/5282881-1239512600.html ). Badagnani (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shangnao

I think, Shangnao ist a bell, not "cymbals" (铙钹/鐃鈸 náobó). See also my new de:Liste traditioneller chinesischer Musikinstrumente. Greetings --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Reiner, and good luck with your article. Badagnani (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Badagnani! The "Zenghou Yi Bianqing" is a bianqing. I think bianqing is enough (put the special instrument of Zeng hou Yi in brackets). Also Chuzeng Baizhong (楚曾百鐘). --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Reiner, someone had added "Zenghou Yi Bianqing" before me, and I never removed it. I was confused why someone would name it like that (like saying "Stradivarius violin" under "Violin" or something like that). I guess we ought to remove it. What is a Chuzeng Baizhong (楚曾百鐘)? Does it just mean "old bianzhong from the State of Chu"? Badagnani (talk) 20:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The same case, I think (the bianzhong).;-) --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 20:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC) PS: My article is yours, only with an other structure.[reply]

錞 should be spelt chún, as in chunyu (cf. Zhongguo yinyue cidian). --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reiner Stoppok (talk • contribs) 20:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy this! or this --Reiner Stoppok (talk) 20:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Classification

The classification by means of eight materials is only one of the ancient ways of classification. Different materials can be employed to make the same instrument (e.g. a dizi can be made of bamboo, jade, or even metal), and there could be some instruments falling in none of the category (e.g. bone-made dizi 骨笛). These made the eight materials classification problematic...

Modern chinese orchestra classifies them by their ways of playing: blowed, plucked, bowed and percussive. In ethnomusicology, instruments are classified as membranophones, idiophones, aerophones and chordophones... Would it be better to include other ways of classification as well? Licheong (talk) 09:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bangzi

Are 河北梆子, 墜梆子, and 秦梆子 names of specific types of bangzi? Badagnani (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

双清

Is there an instrument called 双清? Badagnani (talk) 13:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"LonQin"

What are the Chinese characters for "LonQin"? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[EDIT: DISREGARD, I FIGURED IT OUT] This page has either been vandalized or messed up

None of the instruments are listed anymore. It's all blank Himeaimichu (talk) 01:02, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So strange... I wonder why this could have happened 2001:1970:51A4:8800:40AC:ABC2:D6D8:BAC8 (talk) 08:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be missing the huáng

here and at huang. — LlywelynII

Guqin?

Wondering why the Guqin isn't listed here, under silk. It's different from the se and the guzheng.... MiscGezork (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled on this page and that was my first thought - it seems like a huge error? Qin/guqin is a common instrument that's been around for a couple thousand years and is completely distinct from se and guzheng. Can we just add it in? Golgafrinchan hottub (talk) 11:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I went digging through the article history, and amid endless waves of totally unexplain, mostly unsourced formatting and prose changes, the guqin seems to have...been the first thing listed in the article (sensibly) until it slipped through the cracks in late 2021 / early 2022 as this user was beginning their personal overhaul, apparently with the help of a drive-by IP also making inscrutable unexplained decisions? This sorta stuff gives me nightmares. Remsense ‥ 论 12:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the whole article is a mess now. Like I don't know why every list has to be a drop down menu, no other instruments page is like this Himeaimichu (talk) 10:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have largely fixed this by undoing all of Lanneixi's edits Himeaimichu (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undoing Lanneixi's edits

I have undid the extremely un-necessary overhaul Lanneixi did to the page. All the user did was entirely mess up the formatting, removed a lot of instruments from the list (Even the Guqin) and made the overall quality of the page much lower. I imagine some useful stuff has been added since Lanneixi made their incredibly bad overhaul, so you'll probably have to re-add those but in the end, Lanneixi's edits needed to be undone Himeaimichu (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]