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Critical commentaries on videos: please read this before editing

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Please note that the critical commentaries on music videos which appear in the article are a necessary part of the Fair Use Rationale for the Non-free content licence of the screenshot images referred to in the commentaries. No critical commentaries = no screenshot images: it's as simple as that. At the time of writing this (June 2009) we have no available alternative images of these soloists.

Of course the critical commentaries are subject to editing, improvement, inline references, Wikifying and the rest, just like the rest of the article, and you are welcome to do this. But please don't delete them entirely (or we lose the images). If you do edit them, please copy your edits exactly on the image filepages. NB: The commentaries have to be about the videos from which the screenshot was taken, and not about identifying the soloist or for any other reason - otherwise the image licence becomes invalid.

Thank you for your cooperation.--Storye book (talk) 08:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced edits of 5 June 2010

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The following unreferenced edits of 5 June 2010, under the subheading V. Pankov, have been removed from the article and copied below. This is because it may be valid material which is awaiting a citation. If you have more of these unreferenced edits, please put them here, and not in the article. Thank you. It is possible that these edits refer to Victor Nikitin, in which case they were in the wrong place, anyway. --Storye book (talk) 23:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many in Novosibirsk neighbours were told that Kalinka had two secret girlfriends in his life and was never married. he died in 1988, his first lady, was a beautiful tall, thin and well educated engineer, called Natalia Sipotenko, who was born on 22-01-1940 in federation Russia. Before Kalinka died in 1988, he was in Love again for many years with another young lady from the Middle East who was living with her family in Russia, She was born in Paris,Lebanese desendent, and her father was a Government Lebanese official working at the Lebanese Embassy in Moscow, not much information about her to this date to protect her identity, but many friends of Kalinka, said, heard Kalinka calling her by the name of Naha , But Kalinka was well known for his attachment to the Middle East and his fascination with Christian Arab culture in reading and hearing the Arabic music, that helped him writing his music to be successful as a Russian tenor. Kalinka moved in with his new girl friend the Lebanese lady Naha until he died, both Naha and Kalinka were never married, Naha died on Feb 13, 1990. Sipotenko’s father hated Kalinka knowing he was cheating on his daughter, and he knew that he was in love with an Arab Lebanese young lady, that he forbids Natalia from going back to Kalinka. Natalia was pregnant with Kalinka‘s only child when she found out Klinka was in love with Naha, she gave birth on February 27,1973, to a beautiful boy who looks just like his father Kalinka .His grandfather said that Vicktor had good ears to hear music at very young age. Natalia was never married, raised her son Viktor on her own with the help from her father until he died. Natalia was a nuclear engineer working in ensemble engineering plan in Russia federation, Kalinka saw his son at age 5 and never saw him again, when her son turned 18, she sent him to USA to further his post secondary education, Vicktor stayed with American family during his study until, then, he left USA. Natalia wanted her son to study engineer to follow the family traditional career, but Vicktor went against his own mother and grandfather wishes, Natalia finally had to bend the family rules and gave her son his freedom to make his own choice in choosing his own career. Viktor chose to pursue his career in law which an interest considered outside of Natalia’s family. Mr. Sipotenko, Natalia's father almost raised his grandson until he died in Novosibirsk, but Natalia's brothers who are also (engineers) said to close friend, their sister wanted and insisted on naming her son after his real father name as Viktor Nikitin, Natalia currently lives in -Novosibirsk - Cheluiskintsev-Russian Federation. Not much news where her son is about. Modified April 12, 2002

Removal and sizing of images

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Please discuss on talkpage before moving or removing images, or re-sizing them. The image of Ivanov and Bugachev needs to remain next to the commentary because this forms part of the fair use rationale as per WP. Please note that Ivanov and Bugachev are only soloists of the choir, however much-loved they may be. I have put Andryuschenko at the top as he has just died and it is worth reminding the public of his achievements and his connection with the Ensemble. Also, he was a soloist of the Ensemble which makes him more important than Ivanov and Bugachev. Please do not fix the size of thumbnails in the text, because some users have a facility which re-sizes the images to optimum size for their eyesight and their screen, so if you fix the size you block that facility. If you want to see the thumbnails bigger on your screen, log in and go into My Preferences at the the top of your screen, and choose your optimum size for viewing images. Please do not place images so that they interfere with the positions of subheadings, as per WP.--Storye book (talk) 00:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, agree with everything except fixing the size of thumbnails. Most users are unaware of that option in My Preferences, not to mention the readers that are not registered in Wikipedia. WP:IMAGE doesn't prohibit fixing the size of thumbnails, and in fact it is encouraged by the policy to fix the size of images so that the images of similar type would look better (Similar types of images within an article often look appealing if they appear at the same pixel size). So I've fixed the size of two exceptionally large images. GreyHood Talk 14:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had to revert the Sergeev image to a thumbnail because if set to a large size it interferes with the position of the next subheading below. Another reason for the Wiki preference for thumbnail images is that people with very slow broadband can load up the page more quickly. For example, it takes me a very long time to edit Wiki pages, because the broadband in my village is so slow.--Storye book (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:VChernykhandBukreev.jpg, File:NikolaiGres.jpg, File:SIvanovPDBogachev.jpg

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Image rationales: these valid rationales already exist in full on the image files, and they are carefully constructed according to WP requirements. If an editor removes the images from the article(s) concerned, it is that editor who invalidates the rationale. Please discuss this matter on the article talkpage before summarily removing the image from the article concerned. Thank you.

Japanese Red Army website references: Please note that some pages of the Japanese Red Army website have been temporarily disabled due to the tsunami and power station disaster. The person running the website has agreed to disable the pages in order to discourage its readers from using their computers to view this website, to save fuel (this is why I have not included the front page link here). The pages will be reinstated as soon as the fuel shortage ends - and of course we hope that this will be soon. Thus there is no immediate need for the deadlink templates on all the references to this site. --Storye book (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have correct rationales for all files. Take a look at [1] and WP:NFURG ΔT The only constant 07:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing in the links that you have given to indicate missing rationales for the files concerned. They have had valid rationales for quite a while. And please do not add deadlink templates to citations relating to the Japanese Red Army website without discussing it here. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They do not have a valid rationale, it needs, for every single use a proper explanation, preferably linking back to the articles of why they are of use on that specific article. Here is some generic story, from which I can't make out for which article it is, etc. etc. Please update the article, the best way is to use the template as is already suggested on the image page. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK will try to do that tomorrow - I think I understand what you mean.
Today the link to Wiki keeps crashing on my computer due to slow broadband in my village - hence undos instead of long edits. Meanwhile please protect all 3 image files from summary deletion (due to being orphaned non-free files) until tomorrow when I can hopefully deal with it. Thank).--Storye book (talk) 08:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I managed to update and correct the rationales on the three files as requested. They now all contain a link to the article and subheading concerned. They all contain an individual explanation of how they relate to the commentary attached. They need to be reinstated in the article asap, because due to your removal of them from the article, they have now attracted a speedy deletion tag. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 09:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It says "Unless some reason to retain it is given, the image will be deleted after Tuesday, 21 June 2011. Please remove this template if a reason for keeping this image has been provided, or it is still used in articles.", which is a week from now. It can be re-inserted ánd the speedy-tag can be removed. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Tags removed from image files. Thanks for reinstating images.--Storye book (talk) 09:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Please discuss on talkpage before moving or removing images, or re-sizing them. The image of Ivanov and Bugachev needs to remain next to the commentary because this forms part of the fair use rationale as per WP. Please note that Ivanov and Bugachev are only soloists of the choir, however much-loved they may be. I have put Andryuschenko at the top as he has just died and it is worth reminding the public of his achievements and his connection with the Ensemble. Also, he was a soloist of the Ensemble which makes him more important than Ivanov and Bugachev. Please do not fix the size of thumbnails in the text, because some users have a facility which re-sizes the images to optimum size for their eyesight and their screen, so if you fix the size you block that facility. If you want to see the thumbnails bigger on your screen, log in and go into My Preferences at the the top of your screen, and choose your optimum size for viewing images. Please do not place images so that they interfere with the positions of subheadings, as per WP.--Storye book (talk) 00:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, agree with everything except fixing the size of thumbnails. Most users are unaware of that option in My Preferences, not to mention the readers that are not registered in Wikipedia. WP:IMAGE doesn't prohibit fixing the size of thumbnails, and in fact it is encouraged by the policy to fix the size of images so that the images of similar type would look better (Similar types of images within an article often look appealing if they appear at the same pixel size). So I've fixed the size of two exceptionally large images. GreyHood Talk 14:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had to revert the Sergeev image to a thumbnail because if set to a large size it interferes with the position of the next subheading below. Another reason for the Wiki preference for thumbnail images is that people with very slow broadband can load up the page more quickly. For example, it takes me a very long time to edit Wiki pages, because the broadband in my village is so slow.--Storye book (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:VChernykhandBukreev.jpg, File:NikolaiGres.jpg, File:SIvanovPDBogachev.jpg

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Image rationales: these valid rationales already exist in full on the image files, and they are carefully constructed according to WP requirements. If an editor removes the images from the article(s) concerned, it is that editor who invalidates the rationale. Please discuss this matter on the article talkpage before summarily removing the image from the article concerned. Thank you.

Japanese Red Army website references: Please note that some pages of the Japanese Red Army website have been temporarily disabled due to the tsunami and power station disaster. The person running the website has agreed to disable the pages in order to discourage its readers from using their computers to view this website, to save fuel (this is why I have not included the front page link here). The pages will be reinstated as soon as the fuel shortage ends - and of course we hope that this will be soon. Thus there is no immediate need for the deadlink templates on all the references to this site. --Storye book (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have correct rationales for all files. Take a look at [2] and WP:NFURG ΔT The only constant 07:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing in the links that you have given to indicate missing rationales for the files concerned. They have had valid rationales for quite a while. And please do not add deadlink templates to citations relating to the Japanese Red Army website without discussing it here. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They do not have a valid rationale, it needs, for every single use a proper explanation, preferably linking back to the articles of why they are of use on that specific article. Here is some generic story, from which I can't make out for which article it is, etc. etc. Please update the article, the best way is to use the template as is already suggested on the image page. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK will try to do that tomorrow - I think I understand what you mean.
Today the link to Wiki keeps crashing on my computer due to slow broadband in my village - hence undos instead of long edits. Meanwhile please protect all 3 image files from summary deletion (due to being orphaned non-free files) until tomorrow when I can hopefully deal with it. Thank).--Storye book (talk) 08:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I managed to update and correct the rationales on the three files as requested. They now all contain a link to the article and subheading concerned. They all contain an individual explanation of how they relate to the commentary attached. They need to be reinstated in the article asap, because due to your removal of them from the article, they have now attracted a speedy deletion tag. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 09:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It says "Unless some reason to retain it is given, the image will be deleted after Tuesday, 21 June 2011. Please remove this template if a reason for keeping this image has been provided, or it is still used in articles.", which is a week from now. It can be re-inserted ánd the speedy-tag can be removed. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Tags removed from image files. Thanks for reinstating images.--Storye book (talk) 09:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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