Talk:Life of Christ in art

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Did you know... that cycles of the Life of Christ in medieval art (example pictured) usually show relatively few of his miracles?

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Is this site working?. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Johnbod (talk) 12:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah now it working for me. It has was not working before. What trick did you use John? :P --SkyWalker (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's always worked for me - but many sites aren't maintained over the weekend & fall over before the system guys get them up again on monday morning. Johnbod (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title ambiguous

[1]: OK, let's discuss.

I thought it was hardly necessary to discuss that "Life of Christ" would be assumed by any reasonable person to relate to an exposition of events in the life of Jesus of Nazareth, not to a genre of Christian visual art. A title should not lead one to assume it relates to A when it in fact relates to B. That's why I moved the page to Life of Christ (iconography). But if that's not suitable, can someone suggest a better title? The current version remains inadequate. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging User:Johnbod. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't see a problem - and where exactly would "Life of Christ" then go? There is no obvious choice. The main religious articles all use "Jesus", as many "reasonable" people will know. It has been here for several years, widely linked to, & as you will see above you are the first person to raise the matter. The hatnote is adequate, though actually Gospel harmony will be a big disappointment for those looking for a summary of the events in the Gospels - Wikipedia grinds these so small that we don't have one. It isn't broke, so don't let's fix it. Johnbod (talk) 03:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PS, it's not a genre. Johnbod (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the question of "where it would go", is about. It's not going anywhere, just (I hope) getting a less ambiguous title. To illustrate the issue, imagine you're a person who's had no involvement in this article, and you're doing some random browsing and you see a link to Life of Christ. Without clicking on it, what would you expect to find? I know what I'd expect: I'd expect an article about the life of Jesus Christ. I would not expect this article, at all. There's nothing wrong with the article per se, but its title is misleading. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 04:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to Life of Christ in art, which had far more support than the original proposal of Life of Christ (iconography). There is also a consensus that Life of Christ should be retargeted following the move to point to Life of Jesus in the New Testament. The discussion was slightly confused in that it was discussing several issues though, so feel free to take that redirect to WP:RFD if you feel strongly it should point elsewhere. Those supporting the move will need to fix up the incoming wikilinks to Special:WhatLinksHere/Life of Christ. Jenks24 (talk) 12:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Life of Christ → Life of Christ (iconography) – The title is misleading, as it suggests it's a narrative about the known life of Jesus of Nazareth. It is not about that at all, but about an art form. That I am the first person to see a problem here means nothing. It is broke, and it needs fixing. Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. Hello again. Johnbod (talk) 02:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support the current title should lead to the biography section of the Jesus article -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per move reason already explained — JudeccaXIII (talk) 07:24, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The Life of Christ generally refers to the life of the person, not the iconography. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll add my support to Life of Christ in art as being clearer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments The nomination is a hopeless mess. We do in fact have an article Life of Jesus in the New Testament, which if it is moved should be the target of the redirect. The proposed title for this is wrong (and it is not an "art form" at all). If not here, it should go to Life of Christ in art, following many other articles like Nativity of Jesus in art. But it would still be better to leave it. Note that Life of Jesus, surely by far the obvious term for those seeking a biographical article, goes to Life of Jesus in the New Testament. There are large numbers of incoming links here, referring to the art; who will fix them? Johnbod (talk) 14:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Life of Christ in art. Life of Jesus in the New Testament is the obvious target for life of Christ, a common enough term for the life of Jesus, who is called Christ by most people. Most of the links to this page are through templates, and whatdoyaknow the most popular of those templates, {{Jesus footer}} uses the word art because "life of Christ" on its own doesn't mean art. --JFH (talk) 15:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most people call Jesus Jesus; certainly non-Christians, and most Protestants (many branches of these think "Christ" smacks of Popery). That is why this is the appropriate subject for the current title. Given Vita Christi and other books, there may be a case for a disam page. Johnbod (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree regarding Protestant sensibilities, but that's not really the right question anyway. If I search Google books for life of Christ, it takes very long time to get to the art books. --JFH (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Life of Christ in art. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Johnbod's argument doesn't make sense. The guideline says that titles should not be ambiguous or misleading, regardless of whether another article of that name already exists. The clear primary topic of "life of Christ" is the biography of the historical Jesus of Nazareth, and we have an abundance of articles dealing with that topic in more detail than this one. Further, since said guideline says "natural disambiguation is generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation" I am partial to Life of Christ in art. I am ambivalent as to where Life of Christ should redirect; if it doesn't stay here then the headnote is no longer needed. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support "Life of Christ" makes me think of biography rather than iconography. Jonathan Tweet (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This should not be mixed with a biographical article. Dimadick (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment seems to be an unnecessary disabiguation - what is the proposed primary topic of Life of Christ? Perhaps a new title is needed, but not one that is parenthetically disambiguated from nothingness. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is a consensus that the current title is ambiguous, but some editors have not expressed a clear preference between Life of Christ in art and Life of Christ (iconography). Please can editors comment on this choice. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In my original proposal, I suggested Life of Christ (iconography), but I now prefer Life of Christ in art. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:42, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support; --> Life of Christ in art is a much clearer title to laymen who might not understand exactly what iconography is.

Per WP:PRECISE: 'in art' is better because it is precise enough to convey the meaning, while iconography is overly precise.

Per WP:PARENDIS: Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title, therefore 'Life of Christ in art' is preferred. InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{InsertTalkHere} 03:27, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support move, and redirect Life of Christ to Life of Jesus in the New Testament, how can anyone oppose this move? "The Life of Christ as a narrative cycle in Christian art comprises.. " this article is about art, Life of Christ (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 07:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which title do you prefer? It is definitely getting moved but do you prefer 'in art' or (iconography)? InsertCleverPhraseHere ^{InsertTalkHere} 20:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Either is fine In ictu oculi (talk) 11:44, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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